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Post by emily445455 on Apr 6, 2008 20:22:24 GMT -5
Where in the Bible do the disciples baptize babies?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 21:22:22 GMT -5
Where in the Bible do the disciples baptize babies? Acts 18:8 8(A)Crispus, (B)the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord (C)with all his household, and many of the (D)Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized. Cross references: a. Acts 18:8 : 1 Cor 1:14 b. Acts 18:8 : Mark 5:22 c. Acts 18:8 : Acts 11:14 d. Acts 18:8 : Acts 18:1; 19:1; 1 Cor 1:2; 2 Cor 1:1, 23; 6:11; 2 Tim 4:20 The word "household" means all inclusive (the entire family) from infants to the elderly. Complete households were baptized (this included everyone in the house). Besides, no where in the Bible does it state that children are "not" to be baptized and Jesus clearly states that children are "not" to be kept from Him. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 6, 2008 21:30:06 GMT -5
If baptism is to happen after you accept Christ...how can babies be baptized? They can't make that choice.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 22:02:40 GMT -5
Parents are authorized to impose their religious beliefs on their children. In fact, it is their duty as Believers. They are supposed to teach children The Faith, not allow them to be misled by false faiths.
All baptism does is removes original sin, it doesn't require a profession of faith.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 6, 2008 22:29:57 GMT -5
If baptism is to happen after you accept Christ...how can babies be baptized? They can't make that choice. I thought we have allready talked about this... My husbands lil 8yr old sis, was baptised the other day and it was after she had been saved. Is'nt that how yall do it too, yall are both baptist. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 23:12:03 GMT -5
CC, because Protestants don't have a unified church and because each individual church has their own rules, they have different doctrines, practices and individual believes.
So two Baptists churches could be two completely different churches while calling themselves Baptist.
For example, some Protestants worship God with Snakes.
Some believe in Gay marriage.
Some believe in female church leaders.
Some believe in divorce.
Some believe in aborthion.
All these things are forbidden in The Bible, yet they do them.
Still, in the defense of the mainline Protestants, many are against those things that certain groups believe. Yet, they are all still Protestants.
We cannot hold any one group for beliefs that the others hold if they don't believe it themselves.
The only thing that they are wholy united in is in being "not" Universal Christians (i.e. not being Catholics).
Most Protestants aren't even "protestants" in the true traditional sense of the word. Most dont' protest Catholicism.
Only the "sects" of Protestantism do.
It's about 5% of the total Christian community.
Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodists, you won't see them calling The Church The Whore of Babylon.
Only the religious fanatics.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 8:03:41 GMT -5
Marcie- an 8 year old can make the choice to deny or accept Christ, therefore be baptized. I'm talking about babies, parents baptizing babies.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 9:28:02 GMT -5
I don't think anyone can make a decision to accept Christ unless they understand Christ first. Could a 10 year old comprehend Christ? A 19 year old? I didn't begin to understand Him until I turned 30 (I still don't understand Jesus completely). Even as adults we are supposed to accept Him "as a child". What does that mean? Without having to know everything about Him...just based on faith. Who is more a child than an infant? Who has more faith than a creation of God that hasn't been corrupted by The World? My two beautiful daughters knew about God and Jesus before I explained it to them...it's like they automatically knew Him. I would argue that as children (and adults) grow older, they become less knowledgable about God because we become misindoctrinated about worldly things. Simple question Emily: Is baptising infants prohibited in Scripture?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 11:49:14 GMT -5
It is not prhibited...but since babies cannot accept, or understand, Christ...it's pointless. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change. It is not a sin to baptize babies, just pointless.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 12:31:35 GMT -5
To be honest with yourself, do you really think an 4-10 year old is mature enough to make a proclamation of faith, and understand what they are really doing?
I really dont think so, so that would make their "saving" unvalid, unless they did it again later on in their life..
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 13:33:33 GMT -5
Marcie- It depends on the child. If it is unvalid (lots of times it is, with any age person), then they will just have to be really Saved later in life and be baptized again. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 14:49:01 GMT -5
But lets be real here...who do you know that has been baptised twice from the same faith/church?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 14:51:43 GMT -5
I never said by the same church or the same faith. I was baptized as a baby, then after I accepted Christ I was baptized as an adult. Different churches, very different beliefs
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 14:56:36 GMT -5
What i am saying is, how many people from your church, made their proclomation of faith when they were 7 and then did it again and baptised AGAIN because it was unvalid. Not very many i would guess...
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 14:59:53 GMT -5
I'd guess not. I don't understand your point by this though...
Before one is baptized...the pastors make sure the profession of Salvation was a real one. We have to write out our testimony, go through membership classes, etc. I'm not sure exactly what they would do if a child wanted to be baptized, how they would make sure they were really Saved and it wasn't just emotional or whatever.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 15:05:13 GMT -5
well, in a couple of posts up you said that if it was invalid and its happened before,, then they are rebaptised. Well, im pretty darn sure that most 7 yr olds cannot make this type of desicion until later in life and that would mean that their salvation is not valid, therefore they would technically not be saved but think that they are....
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 15:08:32 GMT -5
Not all 7 yrs olds have the same intelligence.
And yes, if one professes Salvation, gets baptized...but it's all fake. Then they should be rebaptized after they are really Saved.
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Post by knuckle on Apr 7, 2008 18:45:44 GMT -5
Hi Guys and Gals---------------
My sister married a catholic fella and converted but when the babies came along I remember them being Christened but not baptized-----what is the difference?I understood the Christening to be more about the parents and god-parents promising to bring the child up faithfully and was really more about them than the babe.
much love------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 20:29:09 GMT -5
Hi Guys and Gals--------------- My sister married a catholic fella and converted but when the babies came along I remember them being Christened but not baptized-----what is the difference?I understood the Christening to be more about the parents and god-parents promising to bring the child up faithfully and was really more about them than the babe. much love------------knuckle Once a person is Baptized, they are freed from original sin. They are Baptized in The Name of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit. This is the requirement of Jesus to make a disciple (a Christian). This fulfills the initiation rite into Christianity. Everything else is just Christian evolvement (Confirmation, Communion, Marriage, etc...). But once one is Baptized, they are a Christian. Only Apostles or those they chose to succeed them and those that those chosen chose have this authority (according to scripture). Jesus only told His Apostles to make disciples. |
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