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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 29, 2008 11:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 10:12:56 GMT -5
Wonder if they know that most Catholics make up the largest number of Charismatics in the world today!
;D
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 6, 2008 21:33:50 GMT -5
Hmm...hopefully that'll change...
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 21:46:01 GMT -5
Hmm...hopefully that'll change... It is changing. Catholicism continues to explode. It is growing and growing and growing (as Jesus said, a shining house sitting on a hill cannot be hidden). The successors of The Apostles continue to "make disciples of all nations" as we've been doing since the first century. Why? Why is it still here 2,000 years later? Because it was built upon rock. Despite all the attacks upon it, it's foundation is Peter and The Apostles and The Prophets with Jesus being the Cornerstone. It is The House built upon rock (which is literally "Peter", the first Pope of The Church). And what of the house built upon sand (soil? Man? Luther? Calvin? Zwingli? King Henry VIII? King James? etc...)? It continues to fall into 10's of tousands of pieces because great was the collapse of the failed "reformation". Protestantism on the other hand continues to divide amongst itself (it's up to 34,000 different denominations now and growing more and more apart). |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 21:49:59 GMT -5
Oh, sorry...the scriptural reference where Jesus predicts the protestant reformation and it's failing and falling apar into pieces...
Matthew 7
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Only one Church was built upon Peter the Rock...The Catholic Church.
Matthew 16:18
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 11:50:32 GMT -5
I meant change as in they're not the largest number of charismatics.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 16:11:10 GMT -5
I meant change as in they're not the largest number of charismatics. Protestants will never catch up with God's Church. Their a man-made Church invented by Martin Luther. Martin Luther's church could never beat the universal Christian Church. Man can never beat God. Matthew 7 Churches based on men, fail. The Church based upon Peter, never failed...it's still here. 2,000 years later. Could God have moved a man to create a Church that is "not" Catholic and Christian? Absolutely! Yes! But Jesus started The Catholic Church. That is undeniable. However, I would never say that a non-Catholic Christian church is "not" a Godly church. I don't know what works God has done. I do know that God started our Church. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 16:20:49 GMT -5
Protestants will never catch up with God's Church. makes sense since the majority of the world (at least of the religions that feel evangelism is important) is Catholic. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 16:48:40 GMT -5
Protestants will never catch up with God's Church. makes sense since the majority of the world (at least of the religions that feel evangelism is important) is Catholic. The thing is, that Protestants place themselves outside of The Church. We consider them as "Catholic" Christians because Christianity is universal. No one owns it but Christ. But they (you) see us as a religion separate from you. Which is wrong because all Christian religions/sects come from Catholicism. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 16:50:26 GMT -5
But REMEMBER, they dont think we are christian!  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 16:52:20 GMT -5
Not true. There can be born-again Christians who are in the CC. I don't see the CC as as Christian church though...
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 16:59:44 GMT -5
Well, that does not make sense to me, how can one be Catholic and Christian and belong to the Catholic Church, yet the church not be Christian?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 17:02:30 GMT -5
Not true. There can be born-again Christians who are in the CC. I don't see the CC as as Christian church though...  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 18:19:18 GMT -5
Cepha- there were Christians that weren't part of the CC. BTW, that is a really freaky picture.
Marcie- the same way someone can be born-again yet be part of the church of LDS, or be a JW, etc.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 20:21:40 GMT -5
Cepha- there were Christians that weren't part of the CC. BTW, that is a really freaky picture. Marcie- the same way someone can be born-again yet be part of the church of LDS, or be a JW, etc. You mean the heretics who believed that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalane? Name the "Christians" that weren't part of The Catholic Church. Groups? Specific persons? Religions? Denominations? "Before" the Protestant Reformation. (PS: Schism of Orthodox Christians doesn't count...they are an Apostolic Church and recognize The Catholic Church) |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 20:25:19 GMT -5
Well, that does not make sense to me, how can one be Catholic and Christian and belong to the Catholic Church, yet the church not be Christian? According to some of those "outside" of The Church, Catholics aren't Christians. So, historically speaking, The Apostles and those that followed them were Christians, then Christians died out, then, they re-emerged 1,600 years later leaving a 1,500 years void in Christian History. That about right?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 7, 2008 21:22:06 GMT -5
I don't think they had names, denominations, etc...I believe they were in hiding and didn't want to be known about. I'm thinking about taking a course in church history that covers that sort of thing.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 22:14:45 GMT -5
I don't think they had names, denominations, etc...I believe they were in hiding and didn't want to be known about. I'm thinking about taking a course in church history that covers that sort of thing. LOL! There were no "denominations" until the 16th Century! All Christians were Catholics up until then. First you made a very definate statement, then you return with a very vague statement. Can you cite a reference for your beliefs? Something a little more than "I believe"? How's "this" for a course on Christian History: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 8, 2008 8:11:49 GMT -5
I say "I believe" because other people who have studied church history have told me. But I've never studied it myself. Someday, after school is over, I'm probably going to go to the classes my church offers.
But you're right, there were no denominations except the CC because they were all in hiding. If you're in hiding, you probalby don't want to be well known. When I study it I'll let you know.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2008 9:12:27 GMT -5
So then you follow man's teachings to you?
That's how I came home to The Church. When I listened to what "people who have studied church history have told me", I was outside of The Church.
I automatically believed them without questioning whether or not they were actually telling me the truth. I was impressed by their knowledge without confirming their knowledge. And because of that, I was led into error.
But when I began to study myself without anybody feeding me what I should and shouldn't believe, I began to truly have my eyes opened. As I began to study Church History, I found The Church there.
I hope you really do study for yourself and don't take my advice or anybody else's, but just allow God to lead you (not man). That will take something on your behalf that many of us have problems with...blind faith.
Well, for you to make that as a statement of fact, you have to have some reference. Where did you get this information from (I think that this is the 2nd or 3rd time I've asked you, right?)?
And why would these non-universal Christians be in hiding. There were the heretics (those that believed that Jesus wasnt' divine, that Jesus had children, that Jesus was gay, that Jesus married, that Jesus died and never rose)...are you including those Christians with these sects?
The only Christians that were in hiding was The Catholic Church (hiding from The Romans who were persecuting us for the first 400 years of Christianity).
Of course, you'll find this out when you actually "do" begin to study history.
Just be careful who you trust to get your history from.
Use secular (non-biased/non-religious) sources. That way, you can be assured that you will be getting an untinted look.
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