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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 11, 2008 23:33:04 GMT -5
Holy Church has always stood against it, and always will.
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 11, 2008 23:33:40 GMT -5
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church,
2370. "Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self- observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.[HV 16.] These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, 'every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible' is intrinsically evil:[HV 14.]
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality.... The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.[FC 32.]"www.youth2000ny.com/Catechism.htm#About Contraception (third to last, bottom of page) |
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 11, 2008 23:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:12:47 GMT -5
"Further studies were conducted in the United States and abroad, and the FDA approved the birth control pill for contraceptive use in 1960. It didn’t take long before safety concerns began to crop up, including the Pill’s tendency to increase a woman’s risk of suffering heart attacks and strokes. By 1970, the FDA initiated efforts to give information about the drug to the women who used it. As scientists learned more about the harmful chemicals in the Pill, they sought to experiment with different levels and types of hormones." www.pureloveclub.net/chastity/index.php?id=7&entryid=277(Sorry to post it, but it was you who asked!) |
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:33:18 GMT -5
Plus, the idea that Birth Control is selfish (since it is then about the pleasure and self-gratification and not procreation and unity) is true, as its developers were actually all male: "Combined oral contraceptives were developed by Gregory Goodwin Pincus, John Rock, and Min Chueh Chang" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control_pill |
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:35:11 GMT -5
Now, all you who are against Birth Control, please read the articles cited above (obviously not all in one sitting), as I put a lot of time and research into this.
-Marcie, you have the moral *obligation* to see why the Church rejects Birth Control in means of faith, morals, philosphy, reason, science, ethics, etc. There is no excuse.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 12, 2008 9:59:56 GMT -5
Im sorry IMA, but i still dont think it is the churchs decision. Im not doing anything wrong, and lets be completely honest...if Catholics really didnt use BC, dont you think the Catholic congregation would be much larger than it is today. Come on now, lets be real here.
Is self gratifivation against the Bible as well?
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 15:19:59 GMT -5
Marcie.
Please read the articles I've cited. I know you haven't or else you wouldn't still be arguing.
The truth hurts, I know, and the teaching in contraception is indeed hard teaching, and who can accept it? Ture Catholics that truly love their spouses!
I wonder why some Catholics leave the Church mostly for reasons of Contraception or Homosexuality, etc., but in matters of the Eucharist, though this *is* a hard teaching that doesn't make that much sense, they stay...
It indeed seems to me that contraception is selfish, and if we cannot use contraception, it means we cannot have sex (forgive me for being blunt) all we want.
But, is this real love? Or are we using the other person, in spite being married...?
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 15:22:00 GMT -5
And do you think you have authority over your body more than Christ does?
No.
This is why we must listen to the Church in matters of faith and doctrine, because these are passed down from the Apostles and their successors, which in turn got their teaching from Christ.
Must we reject the Church's teaching? Wouldn't we be rejecting Christ's teachings?
And yes, self-gratification (doing things for pleasure and not love or sacrifice) is against the Scriptures, it's against the teachings of Christ.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 12, 2008 20:05:46 GMT -5
Marcie. Please read the articles I've cited. I know you haven't or else you wouldn't still be arguing. The truth hurts, I know, and the teaching in contraception is indeed hard teaching, and who can accept it? Ture Catholics that truly love their spouses! I wonder why some Catholics leave the Church mostly for reasons of Contraception or Homosexuality, etc., but in matters of the Eucharist, though this *is* a hard teaching that doesn't make that much sense, they stay... It indeed seems to me that contraception is selfish, and if we cannot use contraception, it means we cannot have sex (forgive me for being blunt) all we want. But, is this real love? Or are we using the other person, in spite being married...? First of all, i dont have sex all the time like most do...so that is not why i take bc, i take it cause i dont need another child right now.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 12, 2008 20:07:25 GMT -5
And do you think you have authority over your body more than Christ does? No. This is why we must listen to the Church in matters of faith and doctrine, because these are passed down from the Apostles and their successors, which in turn got their teaching from Christ. Must we reject the Church's teaching? Wouldn't we be rejecting Christ's teachings? And yes, self-gratification (doing things for pleasure and not love or sacrifice) is against the Scriptures, it's against the teachings of Christ. Ok, so are you saying that Priests do not wack off? You would be kidding yourself if you thought that. So where do we go from here? Its not right, but we do it.... |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 12, 2008 20:43:23 GMT -5
One can go without masterbating. They probably have wet dreams or whatever they're called. That isn't a sin...they can't help it.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 13, 2008 0:37:48 GMT -5
Do you really think they dont, get real. A man must release its natural, yes im sure through wet dreams but not all.  So we cannot preach about something when we do them ourselves, i am a women so i dont "wack off" lol, just saying that priests dont have a leg to stand on when preaching about that. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 13, 2008 7:17:13 GMT -5
LOL Marcie...you can't know that for sure unless you've talked to priests and know for sure they do it. It is possible to overcome temptation and sin with God's strength.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 13, 2008 9:15:48 GMT -5
Hey im just saying....chances are...
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So we cannot preach about something when we do them ourselves, i am a women so i dont "wack off" lol, just saying that priests dont have a leg to stand on when preaching about that.