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Post by teresahrc on Jul 6, 2008 17:43:32 GMT -5
okay, I'm reprinting this because no one answered me.
What confuses me is how people say that Jesus = the Word of God, and the Bible = the Word of God therefore Jesus= the Bible ??
I'm wondering what exactly is meant by Jesus= the Word of God.
Isn't the greek word for "Word" LOGOS, and isn't the greek word for "scripture" GRAPHE ?
Just because we translate them both as "word" doesn't mean they are the same.
I'd like to hear someone else's opinion of this. This has always confused me.
If the Scripture is the same as Jesus, then wouldn't you be worshipping the Bible?
Teresa
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Post by knuckle on Jul 6, 2008 18:15:06 GMT -5
Hi Teresa--------------
John referred to Jesus as the Memra---Logos in Greek because the Jews were familiar with the plurality of God but not the Father/Son relationship revealed by Jesus
In the OT when God appeared to Jacob or Moses or Abraham etc this was explained as the Memra that part of God that can interact with an individual and yet God can be every where else at the same time.
much love-----------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jul 6, 2008 18:17:31 GMT -5
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Post by knuckle on Jul 6, 2008 18:41:45 GMT -5
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. ---speaking of Jesus
as for the bible being called in whole "the word of God" no but it referred to as such
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: ---Peter calls Genesis account the word of God
Paul calls the Gospel message the word of God--1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
I can post several others alluding to it but the phrase "the bible is the word of God" isnt going to be found in the bible
much love----------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jul 6, 2008 19:11:13 GMT -5
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 7, 2008 0:07:38 GMT -5
ok, i get so confused when yall talk about this, so im staying out!  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 23, 2008 12:40:17 GMT -5
Because many Greek words are similar and we translate them wrong.
Word of God= Jesus =Logos
Word of God=Scripture=Graphe
Pick up a Spanish Bible and Jesus is the VERB of God! Makes sense.
teresa
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Post by knuckle on Jul 23, 2008 13:11:30 GMT -5
Hi Teresa------------
exactly--- one willing (Father) and one doing (Jesus) that is why Jesus makes the statement "I and the Father are One"
much love------------knuckle
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 23, 2008 17:14:29 GMT -5
Do protestants believe that the Bible is the Same as Jesus ?
I'm still confused about what they believe. (and I was one for 12 years!)
I mean people call Jesus the Word of God and the Bible the Word of God, almost like they are interchangeable.
I'm trying to get to the root of this...
teresa
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Post by knuckle on Jul 23, 2008 18:31:08 GMT -5
Hi Teresa---------
Is Jesus the bible?No but when God speaks in the bible it is Jesus who actually spoke---all interaction man has ever had with God has been Jesus so in a way they are kind of interchangeable
much love-------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jul 27, 2008 22:06:41 GMT -5
Because many Greek words are similar and we translate them wrong. Word of God= Jesus =Logos Word of God=Scripture=Graphe Pick up a Spanish Bible and Jesus is the VERB of God! Makes sense. teresa Not only that, the word "Jehovah" was translated wrong into English. The actual word in the Bible is simply the Hebrew word for "God". Jehovah is not God's name, but God's Title. God needs no name. To assign a name to Him is to say that He needs to be identified from other gods and since there is only 1 God, there is no need for Him to be clarified or acknowledged from others. That's why when asked how He should be called, He simply said "I Am". That's it. That's all one needs to know. He Is! God. That's it! Complete religious sects have been born based on misinterpretation of words. For example, Pentecostals and other Christians seem to think that the "Pentacost" was a Christian feast/holiday/event in The Bible. They have no idea that it was actually a Jewish event and had nothing to do with Christianity. If what happened on the day of Pentecost had happened on February 14th, would they have called themselves "Valentinians"?  |
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Post by redsoxfan on Jul 27, 2008 23:06:06 GMT -5
Hi Teresa--------- Is Jesus the bible?No but when God speaks in the bible it is Jesus who actually spoke---all interaction man has ever had with God has been Jesus so in a way they are kind of interchangeable much love-------------knuckle Well i missed that one. Food for thought I guess. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 13:19:35 GMT -5
So does that mean we can worship the Bible?
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 14:30:19 GMT -5
So does that mean we can worship the Bible? teresa If Jesus is The Bible then technically yes we can worship a book. However, that's not a Catholic belief. That is a denominational Christian belief (at least for some of them). |
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Post by knuckle on Jul 28, 2008 14:57:46 GMT -5
knuckle is surrounded but he still charges on
I know of no christian either protestant,catholic or universalist that thinks that Christ is a book
Jesus--------called The Word of God ,the Logos,the Memra the only "God" that man has ever seen or heard His voice--- the Active Physical manifestation in this dimension or reality--the pick up a ball of clay breath life into it and call it Adam----God
The Bible--------called the Book, The Testaments, the Written Word ---The God (Jesus) inspired letter written to man recording God's interaction with man kind and His promises to them---It is called God's Word because of those promises just as when we promise a solemn oath we say "I give you my word"
Ugggh and to think I was starting to miss Cepha around here.....
(good to see you up and posting Bro--no more days off for you)
Much love-------------knuckle
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 15:32:14 GMT -5
"Is Jesus the bible?No but when God speaks in the bible it is Jesus who actually spoke---all interaction man has ever had with God has been Jesus so in a way they are kind of interchangeable"
Then what did you mean, knuckles, when you said they are "kind of interchaneable"?
teresa
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Post by redsoxfan on Jul 28, 2008 18:12:30 GMT -5
Knucks my question is how do you then explain the baptism of Jesus where the Father says "this is my son with whom I am well pleased." Just being a wise guy but still curious as to your response.
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Post by knuckle on Jul 28, 2008 18:14:14 GMT -5
Hi Teresa---------
The subject of the thread-- the reference to the phase "the Word Of God" it can be and is often used for both Jesus and the bible
When I say The Word (referring to Jesus) said Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Now knuckle knows this because the word (referring to the bible) says Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Now where did this come from? answer The Word or The word both answers are equally accurate and thus interchangeable
much love-------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 18:27:00 GMT -5
knuckle is surrounded but he still charges on I know of no christian either protestant,catholic or universalist that thinks that Christ is a book Jesus--------called The Word of God ,the Logos,the Memra the only "God" that man has ever seen or heard His voice--- the Active Physical manifestation in this dimension or reality--the pick up a ball of clay breath life into it and call it Adam----God The Bible--------called the Book, The Testaments, the Written Word ---The God (Jesus) inspired letter written to man recording God's interaction with man kind and His promises to them---It is called God's Word because of those promises just as when we promise a solemn oath we say "I give you my word" Ugggh and to think I was starting to miss Cepha around here..... (good to see you up and posting Bro--no more days off for you) Much love-------------knuckle ;D No seriously, I've heard a group believes that He is The Book. Matter of fact, it's was from CUSA! Post this question there and see what you get. |
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Post by knuckle on Jul 28, 2008 19:20:11 GMT -5
Hi Sox-----------
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
much love------------knuckle
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