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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 26, 2009 17:08:04 GMT -5
Except those who oppose The Catholic Church You have made the Catholic church your idol, you cannot get into Heaven worshiping anything other than God If you were actually educated properly about the catholic church you would intelegently know that they ONLY worship Our Lord! So please, dont say ignorant things, its just blasphamy!  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 17:12:03 GMT -5
You have made the Catholic church your idol, you cannot get into Heaven worshiping anything other than God If you were actually educated properly about the catholic church you would intelegently know that they ONLY worship Our Lord! So please, dont say ignorant things, its just blasphamy! Let's see what he comes back with after reading The Church Father's quotes he claimed he believed in...  |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:02:28 GMT -5
Show me where John or any other Apostle explain Millernarialism the way it's believed to day by Millernarians. I gave you quotes from Polycarp and Irenaeus you just deny them, and claim if the church didn't teach they were wrong. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:04:13 GMT -5
You have made the Catholic church your idol, you cannot get into Heaven worshiping anything other than God If you were actually educated properly about the catholic church you would intelegently know that they ONLY worship Our Lord! So please, dont say ignorant things, its just blasphamy! Who is they I understand were cathlicism comes from, and I can tell tfrom his post the cepha's god is the church not God. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:09:01 GMT -5
Hum...but we don't "deny God's word" we obey it. Just because we take it literally and don't twist the interpretation to suit our own desires... Have you any example of the Catholic Church denying God's word? We are able to defend ourselves. If you really took scripture literally there would be no debate on the Millennium or whether Christ returns before it or not. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 18:09:39 GMT -5
I gave you quotes from Polycarp and Irenaeus you just deny them, and claim if the church didn;t t teach they were wrong. The Church that they defended said that they are wrong. I just agree with The Church because The Bible says that The Church is The Pillar of Truth (not Polycarp). Some Church Fathers "personally" believed in things that were later proven to be wrong. Why? Because no doctrine had been established yet. And, because their teachings weren't doctrinal, they couldn't be taken and trusted as individuals. Only The Church establishes doctrine, not individual men. That's why Jesus chose a "group" of men (not one man). That way (as other examples in The Bible have shown), the testimony (teachings) given can't be misconstrued by one person " personal interpretational" beliefs (like yours are since you are your own pope in your own church).  |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:26:56 GMT -5
Your church is not mine, I belong to the one true Church the remnant that God has set a side for His pleasure.
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:44:26 GMT -5
There is only one Church.
I guarantee that I belong to it, I am crucified with Christ and neither you nor anyone else will separate me from him, thank you
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 18:50:27 GMT -5
There is only one Church. I guarantee that I belong to it, I am crucified with Christ and neither you nor anyone else will separate me from him, thank you I am glad to hear that Teresa However I am not part of any church that has cepha in it |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 26, 2009 18:51:24 GMT -5
OY VEY!
So do you believe in salvation by works or faith, watchman?
Choose one: works or faith?
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 22:10:26 GMT -5
OY VEY! So do you believe in salvation by works or faith, watchman? Choose one: works or faith?
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. James2
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:I will not choose just one because choosing either without the other would be a wrong answer. Or was that supposed to be a trick question? Now I have a question for you. What are we to have faith in, Jesus Christ, or catholicism and its doctrine? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 22:56:25 GMT -5
OY VEY! So do you believe in salvation by works or faith, watchman? Choose one: works or faith?
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. James2
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:I will not choose just one because choosing either without the other would be a wrong answer. Or was that supposed to be a trick question? Now I have a question for you. What are we to have faith in, Jesus Christ, or catholicism and its doctrine? The difference is that The Bible already answers that. You don't "have" to choose. There is no "choice". We are saved by God's grace. Believing in God doesn't save you. The Devil not only believes in God, but knows him better than any living human being today, is he saved? As for the answer to your question, neither...we are to have faith in God. Then, everything else comes after. God comes to us first (before we even know about Jesus) and then He leads us to Jesus who in turn, teaches us how to do what we need to do to become one with God. God first, everybody/thing else after. And...if you listen to Jesus, then you'd have to be a Catholic because He built The Catholic Church and is the Chief Cornerstone of it. God first, then Jesus, then do whatever Jesus tells us (which is to accept The Church's teachings). Only in the mind of a Christian that "protests" The Church is there a distinction. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 23:02:33 GMT -5
Hum...but we don't "deny God's word" we obey it. Just because we take it literally and don't twist the interpretation to suit our own desires... Have you any example of the Catholic Church denying God's word? We are able to defend ourselves. If you really took scripture literally there would be no debate on the Millennium or whether Christ returns before it or not. Nobody is denying that fact. You are arguing with "air". The argument is whether or not you doctrine of Millernarialism is "in" The Bible. (which it's not) |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 23:05:34 GMT -5
Your church is not mine, I belong to the one true Church the remnant that God has set a side for His pleasure. Still waiting for the proof of this "remnant" church in The Bible... |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 23:07:43 GMT -5
Show me where John or any other Apostle explain Millernarialism the way it's believed to day by Millernarians. I gave you quotes from Polycarp and Irenaeus you just deny them, and claim if the church didn't teach they were wrong. Didn't you understand the request? I said "JOHN" and "THE APOSTLES" (not The Church Fathers). Show me "THEIR" Doctrinal Teachings on Millernarialism the way it's believed to day by Millernarians. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 23:09:20 GMT -5
As for the answer to your question, neither...we are to have faith in God. Then, everything else comes after. Faith in God is not good enough, Muslims believe in a god, and Jews believe in the God, it does them no good unless they believe on Christ.
John3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Whoever denies the Son is condemned even if they believe on God. John14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. We must believe on christ.
1st John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Without Christ you have nothing regardless of your opinion on the Father. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 23:11:39 GMT -5
If you really took scripture literally there would be no debate on the Millennium or whether Christ returns before it or not. Nobody is denying that fact. You are arguing with "air". The argument is whether or not you doctrine of Millernarialism is "in" The Bible. (which it's not) Actually it is. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 23:13:07 GMT -5
There is only one Church. I guarantee that I belong to it, I am crucified with Christ and neither you nor anyone else will separate me from him, thank you You bring up a good point...this "remnant" church, why isn't it mentioned "in" The Bible? Or throughout history? It just "appears" in his Watchman's posts...like some secret cult or sect lurking in the shadows. Reminds me of Masonsry.  |
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Post by watchman on Feb 26, 2009 23:15:35 GMT -5
There is only one Church. I guarantee that I belong to it, I am crucified with Christ and neither you nor anyone else will separate me from him, thank you You bring up a good point...this "remnant" church, why isn't it mentioned "in" The Bible? Or throughout history? It just "appears" in his Watchman's posts...like some secret cult or sect lurking in the shadows. Reminds me of Masonsry. Yes I belong to a secret cult of people who only trust in Christ and not man made systems of religion, eeewwww sounds scary. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 26, 2009 23:15:43 GMT -5
Nobody is denying that fact. You are arguing with "air". The argument is whether or not you doctrine of Millernarialism is "in" The Bible. (which it's not) Actually it is. Nah...I don't think so. You would provided evidence of it. Putting John's vision with modern day unbiblical interpretations a doctrine does not make. |
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