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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 2:03:48 GMT -5
No, you gave me a quote which you attributed to Polycarp, but that actually was said by Papias, remember? You claim it was papias not me remember do you say papias or polycarp were heretics? I gave you several chances to clear that up, but you never responded to my request for clarification, but you can do it right here, right now and prove that you were right... Where did you get that quote you attributed to Polycarp? Cite your source? Prove that it wasn't from Papias. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 2:06:08 GMT -5
Not only did Polycarp teach the Millennium, but also did his student Irenaeus, there is no reason for you to deny this truth. It is one thing to say what they taught was wrong but to deny they taught it, that is crazy. For the umpteenth time! Quotes! Name the works you got this information from instead of just saying "they taught it"...ok, show and prove! I'm not denying it...I'm just asking you to prove it. If they taught Millernarialism, then show me the works (the documents)? Then show were The Catholic Church (whom they were subject to) approved of these and made them canonical teachings? Again with the insults?  2 Peter 3:8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends:
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years,
and a thousand years are like a day. I guess that's not "literally" true then, huh? For all we know, that "millenia" John spoke of was when Jesus came back ressurected and Michael sent Satan to Hell in Revelations 12 (which came before Revelations 20 coincidentally). It could've have easily have been done in 1 day for Jesus because remember... ... "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 2:10:53 GMT -5
No, you gave me a quote which you attributed to Polycarp, but that actually was said by Papias, remember? And as for Ireneaus, you gave one quote, but didnt list the document and you didn't show the canonization of that teaching by The Church (which is the only way any Christian can beleive in anything taught...it has to be authorized "by" The Church as The New Testament teaches us). I gave the link Nope...didn't see it there, but here is to whom the quote is properly attributed to (and it's not from a "Catholic" source, so you cannot claim it to be biased...in fact, they believe in Millernarialism like you do...): ldolphin.org/premillhist.htmlAnd even a Catholic source confirms that it was Papias and NOT Polycarp who said this... www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htmSo I guess Catholics are wrong, Millernarians are wrong, heck, even Papias was wrong about his own words, right? So, despite the overwhelming evidence that you are wrong, are you still going to hold fast to your own personal belief that it was Polycarp who said this when the rest of the world doesn't agree with you?  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 2:15:38 GMT -5
No, you gave me a quote which you attributed to Polycarp, but that actually was said by Papias, remember? You claim it was papias not me remember do you say papias or polycarp were heretics? Oh yes, the definition of a heretic is someone who believes something that The Church forbids (take you for example). At the time that these Catholics you mention existed, there was no official doctrinal teaching on the matter, so they couldn't have been seen as heretics.  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 2:27:23 GMT -5
Unanswered questions: Do you believe in all their writings? Or do you parse them out and pick and choose what "sounds' right to you? Are you familiar with The Martyrdom of Polycarp? " All the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished." Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155). scripturecatholic.com/the_church.html#scripture_II |
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Post by watchman on Feb 20, 2009 12:54:24 GMT -5
The Millennium is Biblical that is why I believe it. I quoted Polycarp and Irenaeus for your benefit
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 15:27:45 GMT -5
The Millennium is Biblical that is why I believe it. I quoted Polycarp and Irenaeus for your benefit I'm not doubting one bit that you believe it, but could you please show me the teachings in The Bible? Show me where they talk about the Doctrine of Millernarialism (which is what your belief is called). According to the wikipedia source you quoted, it said that this theory was invented by Protestants in America. But, you said The Apostles taught it, so show me where? All you've shown so far was John's reference to it in his vision, but John never broke down what it meant (meaning, he never taught the doctrine). And, since I answered your questions at your insistence, did you get the chance to answer the mines I reposted to you a 2nd time?  |
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Post by watchman on Feb 20, 2009 17:10:20 GMT -5
You rae one wild dude, i have already yopu have blinded you eyes to it or ignored it. this is like the 3rd time you have asked for the biblical teaching after i have given it to you. coocooo, cooccoo.
You keep worshiping the pope and the church. I will worship the one true Lord Jesus Christ.
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Post by watchman on Feb 20, 2009 17:13:26 GMT -5
All you've shown so far was John's reference to it in his vision, but John never broke down what it meant (meaning, he never taught the doctrine). According to you there is no doctrine taught in the Bible. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 20, 2009 21:26:23 GMT -5
You rae one wild dude, i have already yopu have blinded you eyes to it or ignored it. this is like the 3rd time you have asked for the biblical teaching after i have given it to you. coocooo, cooccoo. You keep worshiping the pope and the church. I will worship the one true Lord Jesus Christ. Come on...save the insults and slander WMan... And, you haven't shown a teaching but a vision, unless you believe that visions are to be taken as teachings and can prove that this "vision" was taught in scripture. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 20, 2009 21:35:40 GMT -5
You rae one wild dude, i have already yopu have blinded you eyes to it or ignored it. this is like the 3rd time you have asked for the biblical teaching after i have given it to you. coocooo, cooccoo. You keep worshiping the pope and the church. I will worship the one true Lord Jesus Christ. Come on...save the insults and slander WMan... And, you haven't shown a teaching but a vision, unless you believe that visions are to be taken as teachings and can prove that this "vision" was taught in scripture. Yes Revelation 20 proves the millennium and anyone that denies it is willfully blind to the truth. Or is the Eucharist not literal either? You can't pick and chose what is literal and what is symbolic. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 21, 2009 9:18:18 GMT -5
Come on...save the insults and slander WMan... And, you haven't shown a teaching but a vision, unless you believe that visions are to be taken as teachings and can prove that this "vision" was taught in scripture. Yes Revelation 20 proves the millennium and anyone that denies it is willfully blind to the truth. Or is the Eucharist not literal either? You can't pick and chose what is literal and what is symbolic. Ahhhh! So you DO believe that a vision is to be taken as a teaching! Admitted! |
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Post by watchman on Feb 21, 2009 12:52:19 GMT -5
Yes Revelation 20 proves the millennium and anyone that denies it is willfully blind to the truth. Or is the Eucharist not literal either? You can't pick and chose what is literal and what is symbolic. Ahhhh! So you DO believe that a vision is to be taken as a teaching! Admitted! You act as if you caught me doing something...Oh MY!!! How dare i believe the Bible  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 1:16:53 GMT -5
Ahhhh! So you DO believe that a vision is to be taken as a teaching! Admitted! You act as if you caught me doing something...Oh MY!!! How dare i believe the Bible The Bible doesn't teach that visions are doctrines. So, in believing that, you are doing something that is "unbiblical" and unsupported by scripture. But hey, do you. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 23, 2009 11:12:10 GMT -5
The Millennium is scripture you just deny it because your false religion does not teach it.
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 23, 2009 16:21:40 GMT -5
We don't worship the Pope or the Church, so you better stop falsely accusing us. And stop talking smack about the Christ, the Church is the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ.
11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations...
2 Peter 2
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Post by watchman on Feb 23, 2009 16:31:15 GMT -5
We don't worship the Pope or the Church, so you better stop falsely accusing us. And stop talking smack about the Christ, the Church is the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ. 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations... 2 Peter 2 When you deny God's word because the pope or the church says otherwise, I call that worship. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 17:19:39 GMT -5
The Millennium is scripture you just deny it because your false religion does not teach it. I don't think anybody ever denied that it's "mentioned" in Scripture (although it is never referenced to...the word "Millenium" is never taught by The Apostles). I've never heard any Apostle teach Millernarialism. Not one. Have you? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 18:13:59 GMT -5
We don't worship the Pope or the Church, so you better stop falsely accusing us. And stop talking smack about the Christ, the Church is the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ. 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations... 2 Peter 2 Teresa, Don't stress it...he has his "own" interpretations and definitions of words. You'll notice that he "re-defines" things alot and justifies it with "To me...". That right there is telling you that what he is about to tell you is his own personal interpretation of things. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 18:17:06 GMT -5
We don't worship the Pope or the Church, so you better stop falsely accusing us. And stop talking smack about the Christ, the Church is the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ. 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations... 2 Peter 2 When you deny God's word because the pope or the church says otherwise, I call that worship. Tell that to Jesus who instituted The Church... Luke 10:16 " He who listens to you listens to me;
he who rejects you rejects me;
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