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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 18:55:14 GMT -5
How do you know that when you "personally interpret" scripture? Since you don't have a "church" teaching you scripture, you have to rely on your own personal interpretation of it, so how do you know that it's right? The Holy Spirit guides me into all truths. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.I believe what the bible says and what the Spirit confirms in my Spirit if the Church teaching oppose scripture I believe God. See, we don't have those issues you have. We know it's right because The Holy Bible talks about The Church. So like I said you keep on believing the church, and I will keep on believing God we will find out who was right in the end. God or your precious church. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 19:18:52 GMT -5
The definition you just gave of Catholicism would include the RCC as well as all protestant denomination so there are many Catholic people who do not believe in the Eucharist as you do, but I am not one of them I do take scripture literally, and you cannot claim because i do not agree with the RCC or am a member of the RCC that I do not believe in the Eucharist. That is just stupid to say. Of course. Anybody who can turn on a computer knows that all Christianity comes from The Catholic Church (The Holy Bible, the Doctrines of Christianity, Christian Tradition, etc...). An only Catholic believe in The Eucharist as Catholics and are Catholics because of that belief. You just said that you don't believe in The Eucharist yourself just now by saying that you don't believe in it as The Catholic Church does. Only Catholics believe in The Eucharist. There's no "believe in it as you do" when it comes to The Eucharist. There is only ONE Eucharist (not different versions of it like there are different versions of The Bible). Only The Catholic Church has the Eucharist and only The Catholic Church practices it the way it is practiced in The Holy Bible. It's "our" Sacrament. No other Church has it. Are you guys going to try to borrow that from us too now while denying the originator of the Sacrament?  |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 19:57:53 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit guides me into all truths. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.But you got that "from" The Bible that The Catholic Church created! LOL! Don't you see the irony in what you're saying? It's only there for you to read because "we" decided it to be there! LOL! You're like a Communist who tells Marx, Trotsky and Lenin that their wrong, then using The Communist Manifesto to do it with! LOL! Don't you see? You personally interpret the Bible "one way" that contradicts what The Church that created it teaches...you attempt to correct the author that God chose. Let's look at the "fruit" of that "spirit" that is guiding you: You mock and insult people when you debate the religiously (not a fruit of The Holy Spirit), you talk against The Church that God used to create The Bible (not a fruit of The Holy Spirit because The Holy Spirit cannot go up against God The Father) and you attack religion even though The Bible says that to be irreligious is bad (contradiction to scripture is "not" a fruit of The Holy Spirit). So, since it's obvious that you are not being guided by The Holy Spirit, which spirit is it that's guiding you? Because The Holy Spirit cannot contradict itself and your fruits are contradicting The Holy Spirit's work (which when it works in one, one does "not" insult people like you do).  Well, that's already been confirmed for me. I'm sorry God didn't confirm it for you, but maybe that's because you seem to have a black heart. Catholics aren't converted, we are "called" to The Church...much like The Ethiopian Philip encountered. You don't know why, you can't explain it, but it draws you and when there, God opens your eyes (not a Priest, not a man, not a book, but God). It's obvious that you aren't cut from the same cloth as The Priest who wrote this... 1 Cor 134 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails.Now, I can off the top of my head count 4 points there where you certainly don't qualify for what Jesus told us how it is "how" we prove that we are followers of his. So, The Holy Spirit cannot dwell where those 4 faults do. Know what the difference between us is? That I am the Publican and you are the Pharisee. You keep "thinking" you are right and that I am wrong. I might be a black sheep, but at least I'm a sheep. I am by far the most ignorant of scripture on this board. I am the biggest sinner here. I am the lowliest of anybody here. I have the most work to do on myself here. I am the least of the least here. I am by far the worst Catholic "on" this board. I am an utter failure as a Christian. But, I thank God that I know this. I don't have to wait to see that I'm right. He already told me. I literally died and saw heaven. Trust me, unless you've actually died and have been addressed by Jesus Himself, you don't know anything but what you hear or see or read on earth. Unless you've died and gone to the gates of heaven, all you have is "personal interpretation" my friend. Am I bragging or boasting? No way Jose. I say that with fear and trembling in my heart! Why? Because I know better and I still can't control my tongue and it still gets away from me...but, for as bad as I am today? God carried me a long way from where I used to be. He gets all the credit for anything good I do and I take all the blame for anything bad I do. You really should do what I did once...stop posting and pick up your Bible. Read it from the first book in the New Testament through the last book in the NT just skimming through it. Then reflect upon what you've read. I'll bet you don't even read The Bible (I mean read it, not just pick it up to point out what you believe to be Catholicism's wrongs). |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 20:04:49 GMT -5
Judaism was created by God not man. How do you know this? Because a " man" told you? Or you read it in a book written and published by a " man"? |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 20:43:46 GMT -5
You are stupid. I do not have to be Catholic to believe in the real presence of Christ is Communion, and by believing in it does not make me Catholic, and by not being Catholic does not forbid me from believing in it.
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 20:46:40 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit guides me into all truths. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.But you got that "from" The Bible that The Catholic Church created! LOL! Don't you see the irony in what you're saying? It's only there for you to read because "we" decided it to be there! LOL! You take too much credit little man with an over sized ego. God decided what would be canonized not any man or organization. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 21:10:38 GMT -5
Now, what am I supposed to do here? Let's see...WWJD? 1 Peter 3:9 "Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."Oh, I remember...God bless you Watchman. Sigh...have you any idea of who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? Again, just like a Commie who believes that the source of his belief is wrong. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 21:17:12 GMT -5
You take too much credit little man with an over sized ego. God decided what would be canonized not any man or organization. Oh, so you must be one of "those" that believe that The Bible just fell out of the sky as a book? How do "you" know that God decided that? How do "you" know that The Bible is the Word of God? Because The Bible says so? That's like believing that abortion is ok because an abortionist clinic pamphlet says so. The Book isn't the authorized institution to teach. It is to be used as a utensil to teach with (like a spoon with eating). It is The Church (the organization) that is the authority...the same organization that The Holy Bible talks about and that Jesus Christ defended when He defended The Chair of Moses and told His disciples that they were to obey these religious leaders on matters of their teaching religion. And what God "decided" was that The Catholic Church would be the "organization" that He would reveal His Word to...  |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 21:25:43 GMT -5
Judaism was created by God not man. How do you know this? Because a " man" told you? Or you read it in a book written and published by a " man"? Ummm from Exodus? ? I am really beginning to think you are stupid. |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 21:28:36 GMT -5
I do not have to be Catholic to believe in the real presence of Christ is Communion, and by believing in it does not make me Catholic, and by not being Catholic does not forbid me from believing in it. Sigh...have you any idea of who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? Lets think about this one? ?? Jesus....John 6, yep it is official you are stupid. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 21:37:37 GMT -5
How do you know this? Because a " man" told you? Or you read it in a book written and published by a " man"? Ummm from Exodus? ? I am really beginning to think you are stupid. So you got this information from a "book" then. Now, how do you know that this book is supposed to be in The Holy Bible? |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 21:39:43 GMT -5
Ummm from Exodus? ? I am really beginning to think you are stupid. So you got this information from a "book" then. Now, how do you know that this book is supposed to be in The Holy Bible? Let me see??? Because it is in the Bible? ??Please stop acting ignorant we are both adults here, we know what is in the Bible and is not, and we both know the Bible is God's infallible word. There is nothing to disagree about here. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 21:41:09 GMT -5
Sigh...have you any idea of who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? Lets think about this one? ?? Jesus....John 6, yep it is official you are stupid. The "Doctrine" isn't in The Bible. Just parts of it, but not the complete teaching. Now, I'll as you again...who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 21:43:08 GMT -5
Lets think about this one? ?? Jesus....John 6, yep it is official you are stupid. The "Doctrine" isn't in The Bible. Just parts of it, but not the complete teaching. Now, I'll as you again...who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? I figured it out by reading the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Whether you, catholicism, or protestantism agree or not is of little consequence to me. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 22:15:59 GMT -5
So you got this information from a "book" then. Now, how do you know that this book is supposed to be in The Holy Bible? Let me see??? Because it is in the Bible? ??Please stop acting ignorant we are both adults here, we know what is in the Bible and is not, and we both know the Bible is God's infallible word. There is nothing to disagree about here. The question is, "how" do we both know that it's supposed to be "in" The Bible? Only children hurl insults. I am acting like an adult. I'm asking questions. How do you know? "Just because?" By way, here's my answer: I know that it's supposed to be "in" The Bible because The Church that canonized it tells me so. What's your source? |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 22:17:55 GMT -5
The "Doctrine" isn't in The Bible. Just parts of it, but not the complete teaching. Now, I'll as you again...who it was that revealed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation? I figured it out by reading the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Whether you, catholicism, or protestantism agree or not is of little consequence to me. Oh, you mean "personal interpretation". Got cha! |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 22:53:30 GMT -5
I figured it out by reading the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Whether you, catholicism, or protestantism agree or not is of little consequence to me. Oh, you mean "personal interpretation". Got cha! No not mine God's, it is the common since reading really. I have found you do not have to interpret the Bible, it is fairly plain, just believe it. |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 22:54:33 GMT -5
Let me see??? Because it is in the Bible? ??Please stop acting ignorant we are both adults here, we know what is in the Bible and is not, and we both know the Bible is God's infallible word. There is nothing to disagree about here. The question is, "how" do we both know that it's supposed to be "in" The Bible? Only children hurl insults. I am acting like an adult. I'm asking questions. How do you know? "Just because?" By way, here's my answer: I know that it's supposed to be "in" The Bible because The Church that canonized it tells me so. What's your source? No children play stupid little games and you are acting like a child. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 3, 2009 23:06:51 GMT -5
Oh, you mean "personal interpretation". Got cha! No not mine God's, it is the common since reading really. I have found you do not have to interpret the Bible, it is fairly plain, just believe it. Why? |
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Post by watchman on Mar 3, 2009 23:11:49 GMT -5
No not mine God's, it is the common since reading really. I have found you do not have to interpret the Bible, it is fairly plain, just believe it. Why? Are you asking me why I believe the Bible? Not because the church told me too, like you hahahaha, but because I am a sheep of The Shepherd, and I know His voice. |
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