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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:34:20 GMT -5
Because you aren't familiar with Rev 12. The woman mentioned here is the one who gave birth to Jesus Christ. Those who hold fast to their testimony about Jesus are Christians. Christians are the children of the woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ. It literally says this. What does the word "offspring" mean to you if not children?  Do you think that someone else gave birth to Jesus Christ? Do you think that non-Christians hold fast to their testimony about Jesus? LOL!!!!!!! So "simple" huh? Why don't you just post a direct quote that says "Mary is called the Mother of all Christians"? LOL Sure! Book of Cepha 1:1 ""Mary is called the Mother of all Christians"" Got it? (you know something, "if" I ever make it to Purgatory cause I'm darn sure I aint' goin' straight to Heaven, I might be in there the longest out of all of us, but guess what, I guarantee you I'm having the most fun and The Saints are going to give me High Fives as I march off to my chair in Purgatory and their going to bring me Iced Tea! LOL! ) |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:35:44 GMT -5
Why did you lie about The Pope? I did not lie, I saw it on AFA, a very prestigious Cristian broad cast. i had no reason to doubt them either way it was no lie. Maybe a mistake, but no lie. Now you did lie when you stated someone could go to Heaven if their spouse gets saved. Why did you do this? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:37:02 GMT -5
Let God be true, and every human being a liar(Romans 3) Yeah, I saw that one too, but that only applies to "unrepentant" liars. Once you repent of a lie, you're forgiven.  |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:37:58 GMT -5
9 We accept human testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. (1 John 5) So, babies go to hell to for you? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:39:06 GMT -5
LOL! I think we both woke up on the argumentative side of the bed today. But, didn't you just say in another thread that you would rather marry a devout Muslim than a Protestant? Would calling "Jesus a liar" include saying that He was never really crucified? (pretty important doctrine) He sure got upset with St. Peter when he said "this shall never happen to you". The Muslim's "Holy Book" says that Jesus wasn't crucified, but Judas was. If that's not anti-Christian, what is? This was what I said. If the Koran says that Jesus wasn't crucifed, but Jesus said He was, how is that not calling Him a liar? What if I said "Cepha said my mom is fat" but you didn't(you better not) How is that not calling you a liar? The difference there is that you quoted me. You stated that The Koran "called" Jesus a liar. Ok, if it did, you should be able to quote where it called Jesus a liar. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:40:19 GMT -5
The fact is you know that anyone that denies Jesus is the Christ will be condemned, that includes Jews, Muslims, and the spouses of Christians.  Even newborn babies that die without being baptized? No answer? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:41:48 GMT -5
I already told you I am not 100% sure what he meant but I am 100% of what he didn't mean and what He didn't mean is that someone is saved because their spouse accepts Christ. Should we keep these discussion in the forums they belong? The muslims will be condemned for denying Christ. And I already told you, negative evidence is not evidence. "It don't mean that..." is not a defense. You have to be able to prove what you say, not just say it "just because". And you don't have to believe that unbelieving spouses are made "holy" by their believing spouse even though The Holy Bible states that and we all know (at least Christians) that God wouldn't deny a holy person their place in Heaven. Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? (the definitions of holy with regards to persons) holy –adjective 3. saintly; godly; pious; devout: a holy life. 4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love. holy
Synonyms: angelic, believing, blessed, chaste, clean, consecrated, dedicated, devoted, devotional, devout, divine, faithful, faultless, glorified, god-fearing, godlike, godly, good, hallowed, humble, immaculate, innocent, just, messianic, moral, perfect, pietistic, pious, prayerful, pure, revered, reverent, righteous, sacrosanct, sainted, saintlike, saintly, sanctified, seraphic, spiritual, spotless, sublime, uncorrupt, undefiled, untainted, unworldly, upright, venerable, venerated, virtuous Watchman, Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:49:15 GMT -5
Even newborn babies that die without being baptized? No answer? I ignored the question because we both know that we both know the answer. A baby cannot deny Jesus. They do not have the mental capacity to do so. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:52:22 GMT -5
I did not lie, I saw it on AFA, a very prestigious Cristian broad cast. Ohhhhhh! So now you're going to pass the buck? When I asked you where you got that from before, you refused to answer. Now, all of a sudden, you get an answer when your feet are held to the fire? And, it was a lie. And you said it and never retracted it even AFTER it was proven to be a lie. I suppose now, all of a sudden, you're going to retract it? Or stick by it even though this mysterious "AFA" that didn't exist before isn't referenced...what's their website? Why do you only use the acronym for their name? What's the actual name of the organization that you call "very prestigious" that is now proven to be a lieing organization? Even "after" they've been proven to be liers? Ok. Believe the liers. Why not. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. You can't be a little bit pregnant and a mistake that is a lie is a lie. Tell me what Paul meant when he said "sanctified" in 1 Cor 7:14, or like Jesus didn't answer The Pharisees, I won't answer you. ;D |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:53:30 GMT -5
Watchman, Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? I nor anyone else accepts your interpretation of 1sr Cor 7:14. Why do you think that could be. Has God revealed some strange truth to you that He has not only kept from everyone else, but contradicts the rest of the Bible? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 14:17:30 GMT -5
9 We accept human testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. (1 John 5) So, babies go to hell to for you? What??? Are you asking me or St. John? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 14:20:40 GMT -5
Watchman, Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? I nor anyone else accepts your interpretation of 1sr Cor 7:14. Why do you think that could be. Has God revealed some strange truth to you that He has not only kept from everyone else, but contradicts the rest of the Bible? If Ceph 2:2 were true, (Spouses are automatically saved) then shouldn't all Christians marry unbelievers so we can bring as many to heaven as possible? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 14:23:41 GMT -5
;D
Can't you just admit it Cepha? Come on, just say it..."you are right, teresa, the Koran does make Jesus out to be a liar" ....
It's a hard thing to say to someone else isn't it-- you are right--?
LOL
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 14:38:11 GMT -5
Show me "that" in The Bible... Genesis 15:18In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The actual land God gave to the Jews is larger than modern-day Israel. Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. God promised the Land to Abraham and his seed. Isaac, Jacob, the 12 tribes, etc. Genesis 35:10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. 11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; 12And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. Ezekiel 37:21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: |
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 14:39:16 GMT -5
Can't you just admit it Cepha? Come on, just say it..."you are right, teresa, the Koran does make Jesus out to be a liar" .... It's a hard thing to say to someone else isn't it-- you are right--? LOL Of course a book from satan will make Jesus out to be a liar. I don't even have to read it to know that. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 14:53:39 GMT -5
"Youve been digressing from your old ways."
LOL!
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 22:35:46 GMT -5
Who has, CC?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 23:41:49 GMT -5
lol CEPHA! He said that in one of his posts....but i think he is still being very argumentative and a lil on the harsh side to people. Just thought i would make a joke out of it.  |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 23:46:39 GMT -5
I have too (been arguementative & harsh) Maybe it's contagious, hopefully it won't spread. I'll try to be nicer tomorrow. Sorry everyone!
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 8:11:53 GMT -5
I ignored the question because we both know that we both know the answer. A baby cannot deny Jesus. They do not have the mental capacity to do so. Ohhh...I see. So, you don't have to believe in Jesus Christ and be baptized to be saved. So according to you, there are instances where you can insert your own "conclusions" and believe things that aren't stated in The Holy Bible. In the immortal words of Ace Ventura, Pet Detective...:Allllllllrightee then!" Now that you've answered that one, what about The Thief on the cross that Jesus promised would be in Heaven with Him. He wasn't baptized with water and Jesus said a person must be baptized in water. Was this just another "special circumstance"? Another "acception"? Because if it is, then that makes more than one. (And, after that, we'll tackle the household of the Roman who was saved because of his faith even though they weren't there when Jesus said this.) |
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