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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 10:47:03 GMT -5
No. As long as what we think the verse is saying matches up with what the rest of the Bible says.
Like in Acts where the household was baptized. I assume there was no one under the age of accountability and that they all accepted Christ based on what I know about baptism.
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Post by Ramon on May 8, 2009 10:50:56 GMT -5
No. As long as what we think the verse is saying matches up with what the rest of the Bible says. Like in Acts where the household was baptized. I assume there was no one under the age of accountability and that they all accepted Christ based on what I know about baptism. So you DO interpret Scriptures based on your personal views (private interpretation)! ;D ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 10:53:06 GMT -5
No. As long as what we think the verse is saying matches up with what the rest of the Bible says. Like in Acts where the household was baptized. I assume there was no one under the age of accountability and that they all accepted Christ based on what I know about baptism. See that? That's all personal interpratation based on your limits of knowledge Em. Now, give me that shovel back before you dig yourself in deeper!  |
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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 10:56:10 GMT -5
I'm not digging anything Some verses apply things, assuming you have studied and know what the topic is talking about. It is my goal to be a workman who need not be ashamed. |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 11:08:12 GMT -5
I'm not digging anything Some verses apply things, assuming you have studied and know what the topic is talking about. It is my goal to be a workman who need not be ashamed. Well, you certainly are working...at digging yourself in deeper! LOL! You keep repeating that your understanding is based on "you". |
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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 11:35:23 GMT -5
Well it's based on my brain...and how much the Spirit wants to reveal to me.
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 11:39:27 GMT -5
Well it's based on my brain...and how much the Spirit wants to reveal to me. So you have to cooperate with the Holy Spirit? Is that what you're saying? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 11:42:02 GMT -5
I have to let Him speak to me from His Word yes...
I'm starting to become lost.
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 11:44:55 GMT -5
I have to let Him speak to me from His Word yes... I'm starting to become lost. LOL! Em, you said it over and over..."your" understanding of scripture is based on your personal level of knowledge AND the guidance of The Holy Spirit. Right? So, for you, it's not just purely the guidance of The Holy Spirit, but requires your own input and is limited by your own restraints (own interpretation). ;D |
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Post by emily445455 on May 8, 2009 11:46:45 GMT -5
LOL! Em, you said it over and over..."your" understanding of scripture is based on your personal level of knowledge AND the guidance of The Holy Spirit. Right? So, for you, it's not just purely the guidance of The Holy Spirit, but requires your own input and is limited by your own restraints (own interpretation). ;D sort of yes. I am limited in my understanding of the Bible because I am limited in my understanding of things period. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 8, 2009 12:07:53 GMT -5
We are all limited in our ability to understand the Bible. God doesn't want us to be lost and confused and try to figure it out on our own.
The Holy Spirit does speak to use and help us understand. The Bible says that the Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" and that we are to submit to the Church. When don't submit to the authority God establishes for us, then it does lead to confusion and divisions.
peace
teresa
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 12:28:11 GMT -5
sort of yes. I am limited in my understanding of the Bible because I am limited in my understanding of things period. Em we all are limited. But when guided by The Holy Spirit, those limits are extended as It sees fit. |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 12:28:48 GMT -5
We are all limited in our ability to understand the Bible. God doesn't want us to be lost and confused and try to figure it out on our own. The Holy Spirit does speak to use and help us understand. The Bible says that the Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" and that we are to submit to the Church. When don't submit to the authority God establishes for us, then it does lead to confusion and divisions. peace teresa OMGosh! Stop copying me before I write stuff T! LOL! |
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 12:44:02 GMT -5
That you must believe before baptism is effective. Whoever denied that? Of course a person has to believe before they are baptized. Who would be baptized that didn't first believe of their own choice? That makes no sense. Who's going to deny that?  Where in the Bible does it say that you must believe before you are baptised? Still waiting for a verse that says that too. I know that babies were baptized without having to believe. That's in The Bible. First you claim no one denied that you must believe for baptism to be effective, and then you say that there is no scripture that says you must believe before you can be baptized. So apparently you agree with my original statement. You can be baptized before belief or repentance, but it will no of no effect therefore useless and meaningless. |
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 12:44:54 GMT -5
sorry new international version NIV Bible is published by same company that publishes the Satanic Bible. It cannot be trusted. Hence, the confusion.  Amen this is very true. |
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 12:46:45 GMT -5
Acts 8
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Philip tells the Eunuch as I have already shown more than once on this thread that IF you believe THEN you may be baptized, and Jesus tells us in Mark 16:16 to believe and be baptized but if we do not believe we will be damned (whether we are baptized or not). So what is the point of baptism with out belief? Mark 16:16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Could you highlight in the color red where it says "then" there? I still don't see it (and I read English pretty darn well!). ;D I don't know how to do the colors but check out the IF you believe You may be baptized. If you have to believe before you can be baptized then belief must come first. I am no rocket scientist, but it is really not rocket science. |
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 12:47:23 GMT -5
I don't always say "then", personally...it's implied in a lot of what I say. little sister: "Can I have another brownie?" me: "If you finish your first one, you can have another one." If-then implied. Exactly |
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Post by watchman on May 8, 2009 12:50:03 GMT -5
I don't always say "then", personally...it's implied in a lot of what I say. little sister: "Can I have another brownie?" me: "If you finish your first one, you can have another one." If-then implied. Hmmm...that's kind of a familiar argument with the whole "Joseph had no relations with Mary up until..." Different subject but it does prove that did eventually have relations. |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 12:50:51 GMT -5
First you claim no on denyed that you must believe for baptism to be effective, No, I just didn't deny what you said (big difference). See, in order for a person who chooses to get baptize, they already "believe". This doesn't apply to infants or mentally ill people. Yes. It's true. And not only that, I've posted scriptures where (and you've yet to respond to me on them) children that weren't in the presence of their parent who was saved were also saved and in order to be saved, one "had to be" baptized. So, by default, if the Bible says they were saved, then we have to attribute the requirements Jesus put forth (that they had to be baptized as well). In the childrens' case that weren't present when they were saved because of their parents baptism, they were baptized "post" salvation. ;D You never originally posted: Your original post stated that " infant" baptism is meaningless. |
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Post by Cepha on May 8, 2009 12:52:35 GMT -5
Hmmm...that's kind of a familiar argument with the whole "Joseph had no relations with Mary up until..." Different subject but it does prove that did eventually have relations. Not according to the definition of the word "until". ;D |
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