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Post by alfie on May 21, 2009 6:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 9:00:50 GMT -5
4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. God, have mercy on all of these victims. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 10:05:05 GMT -5
Wow. Sad...We have a worse problem right here in The United States with The Protestants...Abuse in Protestant Churches...Sex abuse spans spectrum of churches By Mark Clayton | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.
At least 70 incidents a week
"The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says.
Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic. Catholic churches represent a slightly smaller minority of churches in the CMR surveys which aren't scientifically random, but "representative" demographic samples of churches, Dr. Cobble explains.www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 10:07:07 GMT -5
Thanks for taking out our splinter...let us take our your log.  |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 10:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 10:53:39 GMT -5
That was for Alfie: Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 11:25:14 GMT -5
Alfie simply posted a link.
I'm glad he did, because don't watch the news much and I might not have heard about this.
So now I can pray for the victims.
Thank you Alfie.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:48:03 GMT -5
Alfie simply posted a link. I'm glad he did, because don't watch the news much and I might not have heard about this. So now I can pray for the victims. Thank you Alfie. Yeah, but notice, "she" didn't post an article on The Catholic Persecution that The Protestants are guilty of in Ireland. You can't pray for them because she didn't tell you about that. Only about what happened bad in Catholic schools. So, I posted what happened bad in Protestant Churches here to show that one should not try to take out the splinter in another's eye while they have a log in their own. Comprende? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 11:57:05 GMT -5
I didn't know alfie was a "she". (sorry alfie)
I think alfie posted it because it just came out yesterday.
If you think that thousands of children being abused it just a "splinter", I think that's nuts.
I think the Bible says "expell the evil doers from among you".
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:01:59 GMT -5
I didn't know alfie was a "she". (sorry alfie) I think alfie posted it because it just came out yesterday. If you think that thousands of children being abused it just a "splinter", I think that's nuts. I think the Bible says "expell the evil doers from among you". Well, I've never seen her post negative things about Protestants. And, I was just reminding her that Jesus doesn't like that. I think Protestant children are just as precious as Catholic children are. Makes you wonder (not really) why they would hide the abuse in their churches and focus on the way lesser number of abuse cases in ours. But that's what their religion is based on..."protesting". That's why their called "protestants". Think about it...even at it's worse, the number of children in Catholic Churches being abused came out to 1 child every 36 hours. The number for Protestant Churches "is" 1 child ever 90 minutes. Why didn't we hear about that? My hat's off to The Christian Science Monitor (a "protestant" media resource) for their true Christian fairness. Also, there's this site which reveals the "truth" in abuse in Christian churches: www.Reformation.com |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 12:10:55 GMT -5
Sad thing is that abuse is happening in catholic churches all around.. Now im not against the catholic church i just think there are some crooked Priests and nuns out there. For example...
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 12:13:47 GMT -5
There is abuse everywhere.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:15:04 GMT -5
There is abuse everywhere. Exactly...and we shouldn't go around pointing fingers. I don't. No Christian should. That is the message in Matthew 7.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 12:15:13 GMT -5
This is a letter my sister wrote to a priest after calling cps on their daycare facility. She happened to be at the right place at the right time on accident and saw abuse.
Father Stanns:
While at your facility a week or so ago, I witnessed some items of concern w/in your day care facility and have since reported these concerns to the authorities. I do want to let you know that this has transpired and would like for you to know that they have visited your parish (in the event that you were unaware). Know that I had only the children’s best interest at heart. I have been asked to contact you to request permission to share your email address with the local CPS and/or to ask you to contact them regarding the situation as they would like to make sure that you (as head of the parish) are fully aware of the situation. Evidently, when they were visiting the facility, you were unavailable or away from the campus. If you would, please indicate your wishes for me to either share or not share your email address with these folks. If you do not wish for them to contact you via email, please feel free to contact Bonnie directly at (her phone number,took it out) to discuss further.
Again, please know that my intentions are pure and have only the children’s well-being in mind.
Thank you & God Bless,
Stephanie White
This was his response:
Ms. White:
Thank you for your concern for our children. But no, you cannot share my email with CPS and no, I will not contact them regarding this situation.
I am very disappointed that you informed the authorities of your “items of concern” without informing me first. If you had informed me first I could have take action to address those concerns. As it is, you did not give me that option.
To be honest with you, I do not trust you. I am very disturbed by the lack of professionalism shown. My question to you is this for what purpose and under whose authority were you near the pre-school? The pre-school has nothing to do with putting a generator at the parish hall. I am considering contacting David Bagley and withdrawing from the agreement with the county to provide an emergency shelter. My reason: it appears to us that the county was operating under false pretenses in bringing you to our site.
Again, let me state this clearly. You do not have my permission to share my email and I will not be contacting Bonnie myself. However, if you could inform me of your “items of concern”, I would be willing to discuss them with you and with CPS and then take whatever action may be necessary to address them.
God bless you,
Fr. Joseph Geleney
Pastor
St. Ann’s Catholic Church
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 12:16:11 GMT -5
Cepha- I agree. I don't think that was the intent of this thread.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 12:16:36 GMT -5
Then she wrote him back...
Fr. Geleney -
I'm sorry that you feel as if I should've handled the situation differently by approaching you first. I acted in a manner which I believe was professional, responsible, and necessary to avoid a conflict of interest. It appears, however, that CPS did not maintain anonymity, thus resulting in a potential conflict of interest for us all. I say "potential" because the conflict of interest here potentially lies with the adults involved. IF we are all truly concerned with the well being of the children, then the conflict of interest is superseded and doesn't exist. Regardless, I decided that reporting my concerns in the manner I did far outweighed any potential conflict of interest possible. Circumstances being what they are, though, I hope that you can look past your disappointment and see that what is best for the children is paramount above and beyond all opinions of how the situation might have been handled.
I find it rather interesting that you've chosen to question why I was even in the day care facility and that you've furthermore assumed that there is some sort of malicious intention behind my visit. I personally take offense to your insinuation that I am not trustworthy. I have done nothing more than report inappropriate treatment of innocent children who are unable to defend themselves. Your insinuation is groundless and insulting. It also seems odd and most suspicious to me that you have chosen to take such a defensive posture toward this situation, but that's neither here nor there and I will answer your question none-the-less. You really should know that my presence on the premise was truly and solely for the purposes of visiting your facility to gather information to facilitate the proposed generator for the emergency shelter there at your Parish Hall. I was supposed to meet Mr. Bagley and another gentlemen (one of your parishioners as I understand it) onsite to discuss the facility. Upon arrival at 1:00 (our scheduled meeting time), there was no one there. I waited a few minutes and still no one arrived. I looked around to see if there was a church office where I might find someone to direct me or possibly find the gentlemen I was to meet. I did not see anything stating "Church Office", but there was a building there which had a car parked in front of it. I drove over to the building and walked in thinking it was the church office only to find that it was actually the Day Care facility. No false pretenses at all on anyone's part....mine nor the county. I'm sorry if you feel as if there is malice involved in any way here, but that is simply not the case - only an innocent request for guidance.
With regards to your intentions to withdraw from your agreement with the county for providing an emergency shelter, I would expect that a man of the cloth would not act in such a vengeful way. If you so choose to retract from your agreement, understand that you (single-handedly) would be placing families in need out on the street during a time of emergency for reasons that don't seem so Godly to me. I'm pray that your pride and your attempt to unnecessarily retaliate doesn't get in the way of helping those who have nowhere else to go.
Per your wishes, I will not share your email address with Bonnie but I have made her aware of your stance and views at this point. At this time, I choose not to discuss the details of my concerns with you in the interest of not wasting any more my time with your inevitable lack of cooperation. If you truly are concerned about what's going on at your Day Care Center, you'll discuss with Bonnie. I'm sorry that you are choosing not to cooperate transparently with the authorities and hope that you will consider what is best for the children as you reflect on this matter.
Stephanie White
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:45:46 GMT -5
Sad thing is that abuse is happening in catholic churches all around.. Now im not against the catholic church i just think there are some crooked Priests and nuns out there. For example... Of course there are. Even Jesus couldn't pick 12 men that would stick by Him tried and true (only one did). |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 23:12:12 GMT -5
I'm so into arguing with you today Cepha. Sorry.
31Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:
" 'I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'[c] 32But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee."
(Matthew 26)
You are probably thinking of St. John because he was there at the cross. But he also fled (naked?) at the garden of Gethsemane.
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Post by Cepha on May 22, 2009 9:12:20 GMT -5
I'm so into arguing with you today Cepha. Sorry. Knock yourself out! LOL! You might just learn something! Exactly on Saint John. Did he flee at the garden? Didn't he follow Christ even then? Good read. Let's bring it up...It seems that The Apostles were dismissed by Jesus. John 18 7 Again therefore he asked them, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
8 Jesus answered, I told you that I am he; if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
9 that the word might be fulfilled which he spake, Of those whom thou hast given me I lost not one.I chose the account of Saint John to get it from The Horse's Mouth. What do you have? (Notice that Jesus said "I have not lose one?" Is He saying that even though He's being taken in, they are all still there with Him as He's hauled off?) |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 22, 2009 12:54:03 GMT -5
Ok, so did anyone read the letters i posted above about the priest??? I was just apaulled by his behavior. I will be going up there today for the weekend so will not be on here till sunday. I may attend this church while im up there...i wanna meet this man.
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