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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 12:44:54 GMT -5
Yeah, doesn' t that bother you?
Doesn't the Bible say that everyone that wants to live a GODLY life will be persecuted? 2+2 still = 4 right?
Is that for me? All I can say to that is may the Lord bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you.
The Lord knows those that are His.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 12:45:11 GMT -5
God used Moses to free Jews who were slaves. Slavery for Jews by The Egyptions was forbidden by God. Why don't you believe in interracial marriage? God did. Actually, Christian on Christian persecution began with The Protestant Reformation attempt. Up until that point, Christians only went after heretics. Remember how Calvin went after Zwingli? And Luther after Calvin? And Luther after Zwingli? And Calvin after Luther? Right...heretics. Up until the 16th Century, all non-universal Christians were heretics with Un-Christian belief systems (Jesus "not" being God's Son, Jesus being married, God being evil, etc...). Really? Who was it that sacked Rome and murdered 8,000 innocent women and children? Luther. Who was it that killed all The Priests and Religious Monks in England so that he could start his own church to get a divorce? King Henry The VIII. Maybe you should read history. The first "shot" of violence during The Protestant Revolt was done by Protestants. Not that I care to point that out, but I'm just correcting you. The 30 Years War...Google it. Let me know what you think of that. 
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 12:47:46 GMT -5
God cannot say "this WILL happen" or "I WILL do this" and then not do it. That would be lieing...... Like when He first cursed man to eternal death, then sent Jesus to save mankind? Like I said, God knew the end form the beginning and chose to send Jesus before man sinned even before He ever created the earth. The death that God condemned man to was physical death and spiritual death, However He sent a cure for that condition in Christ that is not a change of mind it was always His plan. I have never read the cathecism, but I am sure catholics do not teach God changes His mind and if they do that is another proof that they are not infallible. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 12:48:01 GMT -5
Since when did changing one's mind constitute a lie? Is God limited to what He says? Then the would make Him "not" omnipotent. Right? God has changed His mind before you know. Remember when He cursed mankind to death, but then sent Jesus to give mankind another chance?  You cannot be serious, Are you really asking these questions because you believe God can lie, or that God is not bound to His word. God had decided to send Jesus before He ever created the earth, it wasn't a spur of the moment type of decision. God knows the end from the beginning and what He declares will come to pass. Jesus said Heaven and earth may pass away but my word will never pass away? Hebrews 6
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: God IS bound by His word. According to you nothing in scripture means anything and Jesus' word are conditional to the whims of the Father. Your post has got to be one of the most preposterous things I have ever heard. God is bound by nothing. God rules over everything. If God wants to change His mind, just because you cannot understand that, it doesn't mean that God "can't". God can do anything He wants to. If you can't believe that, then you're the one who is limited. Not God. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 12:50:02 GMT -5
We still die, physically...and we are still dead spiritually until we accept Christ. Exactly what I said, we are redeemed from the curse through Christ not because God changed His mind, but because God had always planned it that way. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 12:52:01 GMT -5
You cannot be serious, Are you really asking these questions because you believe God can lie, or that God is not bound to His word. God had decided to send Jesus before He ever created the earth, it wasn't a spur of the moment type of decision. God knows the end from the beginning and what He declares will come to pass. Jesus said Heaven and earth may pass away but my word will never pass away? Hebrews 6
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: God IS bound by His word. According to you nothing in scripture means anything and Jesus' word are conditional to the whims of the Father. Your post has got to be one of the most preposterous things I have ever heard. God is bound by nothing. God rules over everything. If God wants to change His mind, just because you cannot understand that, it doesn't mean that God "can't". God can do anything He wants to. If you can't believe that, then you're the one who is limited. Not God. You are wrong. God cannot sin, God cannot lie, God cannot break His promises. You are wrong, plain and simple, and the fact you do not know these elementary things of God and His nature is more proof that you do not know God at all. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 12:58:49 GMT -5
But there's nothing that says He can't "change His mind". And even though He can do anything, that doesn't mean He would do it.
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Post by alfie on Jun 8, 2009 12:59:37 GMT -5
God used Moses to free Jews who were slaves. Slavery for Jews by The Egyptions was forbidden by God. Why don't you believe in interracial marriage? God did. Actually, Christian on Christian persecution began with The Protestant Reformation attempt. Up until that point, Christians only went after heretics. Remember how Calvin went after Zwingli? And Luther after Calvin? And Luther after Zwingli? And Calvin after Luther? Right...heretics. Up until the 16th Century, all non-universal Christians were heretics with Un-Christian belief systems (Jesus "not" being God's Son, Jesus being married, God being evil, etc...). Really? Who was it that sacked Rome and murdered 8,000 innocent women and children? Luther. Who was it that killed all The Priests and Religious Monks in England so that he could start his own church to get a divorce? King Henry The VIII. Maybe you should read history. The first "shot" of violence during The Protestant Revolt was done by Protestants. Not that I care to point that out, but I'm just correcting you. The 30 Years War...Google it. Let me know what you think of that. Plenty of Jews owned slaves. The only thing God says about slavery is that owners are not to abuse them. Also slaves are supposed to submit graciously to their masters. I didn't say mixed races were against the Bible. I only said I am personally against them so don't try to make this into a racial issue. Just because you claim protestants persected Catholics doesn't make it true. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:01:05 GMT -5
"Just because you claim protestants persected Catholics doesn't make it true. "
Look it up. Henry VII chopped off their heads didn't he?
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Post by alfie on Jun 8, 2009 13:02:35 GMT -5
"Just because you claim protestants persected Catholics doesn't make it true. " Look it up. Henry VII chopped off their heads didn't he? I suppose when you were Protestant you noticed that? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:04:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I learned that when I was protestant
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 13:04:49 GMT -5
But there's nothing that says He can't "change His mind". And even though He can do anything, that doesn't mean He would do it. If He could change His mind then our surety of Salvation is not so sure, seeing as He could just decide to send us all to Hell any way right? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:06:57 GMT -5
No, because he could change his mind about something. I didn' t say change His mind and break a promise. There is a difference. But let's stop pretending like we understand God. Of Course God does no evil, but beyond that we don't know
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:10:27 GMT -5
Lieing is evil. If God promised something or said He will/will not do something and did the opposite, He would be lieing.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:14:56 GMT -5
Like when He first cursed man to eternal death, then sent Jesus to save mankind? Like I said, God knew the end form the beginning and chose to send Jesus before man sinned even before He ever created the earth. The death that God condemned man to was physical death and spiritual death, However He sent a cure for that condition in Christ that is not a change of mind it was always His plan. I have never read the cathecism, but I am sure catholics do not teach God changes His mind and if they do that is another proof that they are not infallible. In other words, man has no free will? Besides, answer my question: Did God change His mind when He condemned mankind to death, the sent Jesus to give them life again? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:16:25 GMT -5
What about in Noah's time and the Bible says God was sorry that he made mankind?
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:16:56 GMT -5
We still die, physically...and we are still dead spiritually until we accept Christ. Exactly what I said, we are redeemed from the curse through Christ not because God changed His mind, but because God had always planned it that way. Is that a scriptural belief? That God "planned" for man to be condemned, then redeemed? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:17:52 GMT -5
Heather, it said it repented Him...not that He was sorry.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:20:43 GMT -5
It repented Him? what is that supposed to mean? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:21:07 GMT -5
God is bound by nothing. God rules over everything. If God wants to change His mind, just because you cannot understand that, it doesn't mean that God "can't". God can do anything He wants to. If you can't believe that, then you're the one who is limited. Not God. You are wrong. God cannot sin, God cannot lie, God cannot break His promises. You are wrong, plain and simple, and the fact you do not know these elementary things of God and His nature is more proof that you do not know God at all. Fine...explain how God condemned man then redeemed him then.  |
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