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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:21:51 GMT -5
Kind of like it made Him feel sad or sorrow. That He made something and loved it so much, and all it did was treat Him like dirt.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:23:06 GMT -5
Is that what "repented" means? Sadness or sorrow? I thought it meant more than that
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 13:23:25 GMT -5
Like I said, God knew the end form the beginning and chose to send Jesus before man sinned even before He ever created the earth. The death that God condemned man to was physical death and spiritual death, However He sent a cure for that condition in Christ that is not a change of mind it was always His plan. I have never read the cathecism, but I am sure catholics do not teach God changes His mind and if they do that is another proof that they are not infallible. In other words, man has no free will? Besides, answer my question: Did God change His mind when He condemned mankind to death, the sent Jesus to give them life again? There is nothing in any of my post that would cause someone to believe That I do not believe in the free will of man. No God did not change His mind Adam did die, he died spiritually the second he took of the fruit and he died physically. Now all men are born spiritually dead, and all men die physically at the end of their lives. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:24:57 GMT -5
But there's nothing that says He can't "change His mind". And even though He can do anything, that doesn't mean He would do it. That's a great question! Does scripture teach that God CANNOT change His mind? If so, please post the Chapter and Verse.  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 13:25:39 GMT -5
You are wrong. God cannot sin, God cannot lie, God cannot break His promises. You are wrong, plain and simple, and the fact you do not know these elementary things of God and His nature is more proof that you do not know God at all. Fine...explain how God condemned man then redeemed him then.  I already explain it twice, now listen close. God had already decided to redeem man before He condemned them. He never changed His mind. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:26:18 GMT -5
This is a stupid conversation. When God says He will or will not do something...He will stick to it.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:27:43 GMT -5
Plenty of Jews owned slaves. The only thing God says about slavery is that owners are not to abuse them. Also slaves are supposed to submit graciously to their masters. Yeah, like Christians did in America. How is a racial issue "not" a racial issue? I mean, you DID say you don't believe in interracial marriage, right? What else could that be based on if "not" race? You don't have to take my word for it... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-CatholicismAnd, it's still going on today in Northern Ireland. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 8, 2009 13:29:06 GMT -5
But there's nothing that says He can't "change His mind". And even though He can do anything, that doesn't mean He would do it. That's a great question! Does scripture teach that God CANNOT change His mind? If so, please post the Chapter and Verse. The fact remains He will not change His mind, His word is final. If you want to by word games ''um He could but He wont'' that changes nothing. The fact remains God has made His decision. Jesus is going to return after the tribulation together the elect, and if it happens any other way God would be a liar. Since God is not a liar then there will be no pretrib rapture. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:29:52 GMT -5
But there's nothing that says He can't "change His mind". And even though He can do anything, that doesn't mean He would do it. If He could change His mind then our surety of Salvation is not so sure, seeing as He could just decide to send us all to Hell any way right? Yep. He is God (not us, not you). We don't decide what He does, He does. And as scripture has shown us (and as you've yet to respond to), God condenmed mankind then sent Jesus to redeem mankind. According to you, this was planned? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:31:28 GMT -5
But God hasn't revealed everything about Himself to mankind!! I know God totally loves us, and we are made in His image, but that doesn't mean God only thinks about us 24/7!
If He makes a promise, He won't break it, but not everything God does or says or is is in the form of a promise.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:31:48 GMT -5
I don't think so. But He never said He wouldn't do it. God always wanted to be in fellowship with His creation, in the OT someone had to follow the laws to be able to fellowship with Him.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:34:46 GMT -5
Lieing is evil. If God promised something or said He will/will not do something and did the opposite, He would be lieing. So then, we should remained condemned to eternal damnation and NOT have Jesus save us? That is, according to how you see things. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 8, 2009 13:38:33 GMT -5
Well it's what we deserve  Who says people before Christ are in hell? Well at least the ones who abided by God's laws and wanted to please Him. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:39:32 GMT -5
But God hasn't revealed everything about Himself to mankind!! I know God totally loves us, and we are made in His image, but that doesn't mean God only thinks about us 24/7! If He makes a promise, He won't break it, but not everything God does or says or is is in the form of a promise. True. Here are two excellent points I derived from that post: 1) Promises are conditional (Jesus promised eternal life to those who believe in Him...if an unrepentant pedophile believed in Jesus, would he be given eternal life?) 2) We only know what God allows us to know about God, not what God knows about God! LOL! |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:41:01 GMT -5
Eh? Or are they in prison/paradise? LOL. And why would people that abided by God's laws and pleased Him be in heaven before they heard the gospel? That goes against the 5 solas!
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 8, 2009 13:42:06 GMT -5
"The hidden things belong to the Lord, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children" (Deuteronomy I think)
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:42:52 GMT -5
Well it's what we deserve Who says people before Christ are in hell? Well at least the ones who abided by God's laws and wanted to please Him. Forget "hell" the place for now. Let's stick with just eternal death (separation from God) for the sake of the discussion. Do you think that God planned for us to sin or that He created us knowing we'd sin? If He did, why did He show wrath when mankind sinned during Noah's time then regret when He destroyed the earth with water promising never to do it again? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:44:32 GMT -5
In other words, man has no free will? Besides, answer my question: Did God change His mind when He condemned mankind to death, the sent Jesus to give them life again? There is nothing in any of my post that would cause someone to believe That I do not believe in the free will of man. Then if man has free will, how could God plan man's downfall? Then are you saying that Jesus didnt' die for Adam? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:45:38 GMT -5
This is a stupid conversation. When God says He will or will not do something...He will stick to it. So then, when he condemned all mankind to eternal death, He really didn't mean it when He sent Jesus Christ to save us from eternal death? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 8, 2009 13:47:00 GMT -5
Fine...explain how God condemned man then redeemed him then. I already explain it twice, now listen close. God had already decided to redeem man before He condemned them. He never changed His mind. You're in good company!  Predestination is a religious concept, which involves the relationship between God and His creation.
The religious character of predestination distinguishes it from other ideas about determinism and free will.
Those who believe in predestination, such as John Calvin, believe that before the creation God determined the fate of the universe throughout all of time and space. |
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