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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 11:27:55 GMT -5
alfie- If you hate someone, are you a murderer? If you lust after someone, have you had sex? IMO, yes  Steven- The woman is purposely only having sex while she cannot get pregnant...she knows the result will be killing the sperm. I don't understand how that is any different than purposely killing it in the condom. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 13:55:16 GMT -5
Heather- how is using birth control not using our bodies the way God intended us to?
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 16:05:19 GMT -5
I think it was pretty obviously what she was saying, would have been hard to misunderstand it. Believe it or not, not everybody was a virgin like you were when you got married. You "were" a virgin when you got married right? And your current wife "is" the only woman you've had relations with, right? Nope, but I was not saved until I was 29, and after my Salvation I waited until marriage. You see I took my commitment to Christ seriously, and if I had made a mistake after Salvation it wouldn't have been repeated and unrepentant, and it wouldn't be something I am proud of. If you read her post it sound like it was something she practiced, not just a once or twice mistake. It also seems like she is perfectly fine with the idea. My wife is the only person I have been with since I got saved and we waited until we were married. |
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 16:07:58 GMT -5
Wasting seed is not a detestable act. In this story Onan disobeyed a direct order from God, which was to impregnate his brothers wife. However Onan wasted his seed instead, but the wasting of the seed was not the problem, his disobedience was. For you to take that story and claim that because of it all people who waste their seed are committing detestable acts is like using the story in Acts 5 about Ananias and Sapphira to say anyone that doesn't give all they have to the Church should be struck dead. That's your personal interpretation of it, fine. Do you believe that masterbation is sexually moral or sexually immoral? Here are other references to a person who sins against their body: 1 Peter 2:11
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.
James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
2 Timothy 2:22
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
Masturbation is also coveting (lust just being a sexual form of coveting). We don't have to go very far to learn that coveting is wrong, try the 10th Commandment:
Exodus 20:17
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."So not only is masturbation lust and coveting it is also sexual, making it sexual immorality. We might ask ourselves, "what are the sexual organs made for?" and, "what context were they intended?" Was God's intention to give man or woman their own pleasure source? If God intends for sexual morality to be a man and a woman coming together in marriage is it moral for us to go about it on our own? 2 Corinthians 12:21
21 I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:3-5
3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;When a man's seed leaves his body, he is considered unclean. In Leviticus 15, it distinguishes between two events. When a man's seed leaves his body alone and when it's done with a woman. Leviticus 15 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even. When one masterbates, they become unclean. I do not masterbate  |
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 16:15:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I'm not even sure why I'm posting this (maybe some person unknown to me needs to hear it) but actually masturbation is a homosexual sin.  Where in the world did you get that idea from? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 21:53:56 GMT -5
Joey- I really did not want to explain myself to you...but I guess I will. It was not a once in awhile sin, it was a sin my now husband and I did on a regular basis. I could not seem to stop...sexual sin before Christ Saved me was always a biiiggg struggle as well. I was so releaved when we got married. I have since repented many, many times and sometimes still cry over all the sins I commited against God both before and after Salvation.
Hope that clears up the issue.
Heather- what is "the deeds of the flesh"? And I wasn't talking about the pill, the shot, the patch, etc...I was talking about condoms.
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 22:05:14 GMT -5
Where in the world did you get that idea from? Having sex with yourself=having sex with someone of the same gender(yourself) That is a stretch, so what your saying is that it is just the way you see it? You are the same sex as yourself? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 22:06:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the conversation is about...but I view masterbation as fornication/adultry.
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 22:07:31 GMT -5
Joey- I really did not want to explain myself to you...but I guess I will. It was not a once in awhile sin, it was a sin my now husband and I did on a regular basis. I could not seem to stop...sexual sin before Christ Saved me was always a biiiggg struggle as well. I was so releaved when we got married. I have since repented many, many times and sometimes still cry over all the sins I commited against God both before and after Salvation. Hope that clears up the issue. Heather- what is "the deeds of the flesh"? And I wasn't talking about the pill, the shot, the patch, etc...I was talking about condoms. #1 Yes it clears it up, and I do apologize for assuming you thought it was O.K. #2 I think when they refer to birth control they are talking about the pill, not condoms. I may be wrong about that as well? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 22:11:41 GMT -5
Joey, it's ok.
I was on the pill for about 6 years and I regret it. Yes it's been out for a long time, and yes lots of women take it with no problems.......but that's 2,190 days of chemicals entering into my body!!! 2,000+ days!!!! I don't know what long term effect that will have on my body!! It's scary, I wish I would have gotten off them sooner, and I will probably never go back on them again.
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 22:24:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the conversation is about...but I view masterbation as fornication/adultry. #1 I do not masterbate as a married man I should not have to. However I do not necessarily think it is a sin at all. The sin is what you are imagining when you masterbate. If you are thinking about you and your spouse then that would not be fornication or adultery, but if you are thinking about anything or anyone else then of course it would be both fornication and adultery. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 30, 2009 22:26:12 GMT -5
I never said I thought you did. I view it as cheating, as basically sex with yourself.
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 22:29:23 GMT -5
Joey, it's ok. I was on the pill for about 6 years and I regret it. Yes it's been out for a long time, and yes lots of women take it with no problems.......but that's 2,190 days of chemicals entering into my body!!! 2,000+ days!!!! I don't know what long term effect that will have on my body!! It's scary, I wish I would have gotten off them sooner, and I will probably never go back on them again. That is good I am glad you are off. |
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Post by watchman on May 30, 2009 22:31:48 GMT -5
I never said I thought you did. I view it as cheating, as basically sex with yourself. Yeah, I didn't think anyone was accusing me. I just wanted to state it, before I said that I didn't see it as a sin, unless your mind is on someone other than your wife. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 31, 2009 16:18:27 GMT -5
Joey, would you be okay if you found out your wife masterbated?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 31, 2009 22:00:55 GMT -5
That's your personal interpretation of it, fine. Do you believe that masterbation is sexually moral or sexually immoral? Here are other references to a person who sins against their body: 1 Peter 2:11
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.
James 1:14-15
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
2 Timothy 2:22
22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
Masturbation is also coveting (lust just being a sexual form of coveting). We don't have to go very far to learn that coveting is wrong, try the 10th Commandment:
Exodus 20:17
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."So not only is masturbation lust and coveting it is also sexual, making it sexual immorality. We might ask ourselves, "what are the sexual organs made for?" and, "what context were they intended?" Was God's intention to give man or woman their own pleasure source? If God intends for sexual morality to be a man and a woman coming together in marriage is it moral for us to go about it on our own? 2 Corinthians 12:21
21 I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:3-5
3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;When a man's seed leaves his body, he is considered unclean. In Leviticus 15, it distinguishes between two events. When a man's seed leaves his body alone and when it's done with a woman. Leviticus 15 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even. When one masterbates, they become unclean. I do not masterbate lol lie |
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Post by emily445455 on May 31, 2009 22:09:11 GMT -5
Marcie, Why do you assume it is a lie? It is possible for men to live without masterbating.
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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 22:36:00 GMT -5
Joey, would you be okay if you found out your wife masterbated? Depends on what she was thinking about when she was doing it. |
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Post by watchman on May 31, 2009 22:36:49 GMT -5
I do not masterbate lol lie Marcie, Why do you assume it is a lie? It is possible for men to live without masterbating. Yeah I have no reason to lie or to masterbate. I am married. Have a masterbated? Chronically as a teenager. Do I masterbate? No I do not. If I needed to badly enough I would get my wife to do it. Oh, and Em, to really answer your question about my wife, that goes vice versa for her. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 31, 2009 22:42:38 GMT -5
Joey, Why does it go "visa versa"? I don't even know what that means in this context, lol.
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