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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:48:26 GMT -5
You do not agree with the Bible or you could openly state that homosexuality is sin along with any other sex act outside of marriage. Maybe not the King James "version" of The Bible, but I believe in The Holy Bible. I can't speak for your book. As for homosexuality being a sin, Who's words do you think are The Bible's words? God's, right? So isn't it God who calls it a sin? If I agree with it, how do I not believe what The Holy Bible teaches? You are very confused.  Whos is confused? YOU. I can openly state I know homosexuality is sin, how? Because God said so. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:53:15 GMT -5
I believe that it is clean. Then it is you who doesn't beleive what The Bible teaches... Leviticus 15Discharges Causing Uncleanness 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean.Well, here is God telling you to stop... Leviticus 15:16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.Talk about "picking and choosing".  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 12:53:50 GMT -5
Maybe not the King James "version" of The Bible, but I believe in The Holy Bible. I can't speak for your book. As for homosexuality being a sin, Who's words do you think are The Bible's words? God's, right? So isn't it God who calls it a sin? If I agree with it, how do I not believe what The Holy Bible teaches? You are very confused. Whos is confused? YOU. I can openly state I know homosexuality is sin, how? Because God said so. So basically, you agree with what I originally said...it is God that states that Homosexuality is a sin. Right? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:58:50 GMT -5
I believe that it is clean. Then it is you who doesn't beleive what The Bible teaches... Leviticus 15Discharges Causing Uncleanness 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean.Well, here is God telling you to stop... Leviticus 15:16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.Talk about "picking and choosing". You are wrong over and over you prove your self wrong. If it is wrong to discharge then it is wrong to shave, eat pork ect.... it means we are all still under the livitical law even though scripture tells us we are not. God has not told me to stop, some person who is chonically wrong on multiple issues suggesting I stop, and judging his track record I think I will ignore him. Talk about picking and choosing scripture |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 12:59:48 GMT -5
Whos is confused? YOU. I can openly state I know homosexuality is sin, how? Because God said so. So basically, you agree with what I originally said...it is God that states that Homosexuality is a sin. Right? If you are a Bible believing Christian you should have no problem stating that fact for yourself. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:04:44 GMT -5
You are wrong over and over you prove your self wrong. If it is wrong to discharge then it is wrong to shave, eat pork ect.... Why? Eating pork was cleared up with Peter, remember? Shaving? Why are you continually trying to change the subject? Why can't you just stick to discharges? We can talk about shaving in another thread. Right now, let's focus on discharges until you quit! ;D Who said that? Oh, and can you find one scripture that states that bodily discharges are "clean" now? (not food) Are you talking about me? Did you quit already? LOL! Anyway, God might have told you to stop, maybe you are just refusing to listen to Him. The Bible states it. You choose to ignore it even though there is no scripture that states what you believe (that it is right to disobey Lev 15:16). |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:05:24 GMT -5
So basically, you agree with what I originally said...it is God that states that Homosexuality is a sin. Right? If you are a Bible believing Christian you should have no problem stating that fact for yourself. I don't have the authority to judge what is sin or not. God has already done that. I only agree with Him. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:06:04 GMT -5
So basically, you agree with what I originally said...it is God that states that Homosexuality is a sin. Right? If you are a Bible believing Christian you should have no problem stating that fact for yourself. Do you or do you not agree with me that it is God who determines what is sin? Yes or no? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:09:13 GMT -5
You choose to ignore it even though there is no scripture that states what you believe (that it is right to disobey Lev 15:16). Yes I do, why you ask? Galatians 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: You go ahead and live by the 613 livitical laws, I will live by faith in Christ. Sound fair to you, sounds fair to me. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 13:10:21 GMT -5
Steven- Yes....but when asked "is homosexuality a sin", the simply not confusing answer would be something like "Yes" or "according to God, Yes" things like that. Not "I didn't say homosexuality is a sin. Only God can make that call". That is very confusing and makes one believe you either don't know Scripture or you choose not to believe it. God isn't confusing, we shouldn't be either  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:13:11 GMT -5
Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
O foolish cepha having begun in Christ will you now turn to keeping the Jewish livitical Jewish law.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:14:03 GMT -5
You choose to ignore it even though there is no scripture that states what you believe (that it is right to disobey Lev 15:16). Yes I do, why you ask? Galatians 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: You go ahead and live by the 613 livitical laws, I will live by faith in Christ. Sound fair to you, sounds fair to me. None of what you just posted states that bodily discharges are to be seen as clean. Not one word there says "bodily discharge is clean" or that The Law is abolished (in fact, Jesus fullfilled The Law and it is in effect until His return). So, "if" you really follow Christ, you must follow what Christ said. That The Law is in effect until His return. Therefore, it is still valid. Even if you choose to not believe what Jesus said. Now, back to proving that bodily discharges are now deemed "clean". Where is your scripture that states that (in context, not alluded to, not one verse that refers to food)? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:15:34 GMT -5
Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?O foolish cepha having begun in Christ will you now turn to keeping the Jewish livitical Jewish law. Calling me names? Ok, but where does the Bible state that bodily discharges are now deemed clean? Save the insults (the Bible is not a tool to insult with), but show me the scripture that states what you believe. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:18:02 GMT -5
Steven- Yes....but when asked "is homosexuality a sin", the simply not confusing answer would be something like "Yes" or "according to God, Yes" things like that. Not "I didn't say homosexuality is a sin. Only God can make that call". That is very confusing and makes one believe you either don't know Scripture or you choose not to believe it. God isn't confusing, we shouldn't be either Em, I cannot say that it is a sin. I can say that God says it's a sin and that I agree with God and that says it's a sin, but for me to say that it's a sin is for me to make a judgement call when that call has already been made by God Himself. And why are you confused Em? I already said that I agree with God on this. Didn't you see this? Oh, and was it you or Alfie or Watchman who said that I wrote that Masterbation is a sin? I never said/wrote that. I asked for proof. Did anybody quote me writing that masterbation is a sin? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:20:45 GMT -5
Yes I do, why you ask? Galatians 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: You go ahead and live by the 613 livitical laws, I will live by faith in Christ. Sound fair to you, sounds fair to me. None of what you just posted states that bodily discharges are to be seen as clean. Not one word there says "bodily discharge is clean" or that The Law is abolished (in fact, Jesus fullfilled The Law and it is in effect until His return). So, "if" you really follow Christ, you must follow what Christ said. That The Law is in effect until His return. Therefore, it is still valid. Even if you choose to not believe what Jesus said. Now, back to proving that bodily discharges are now deemed "clean". Where is your scripture that states that (in context, not alluded to, not one verse that refers to food)? Like I said I have no problem with you keeping the livitical law but would you burden me with it? Act 15
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 13:21:13 GMT -5
Steven, then you should have said that. You just said "it's not for you to decide" or something like that. Which is true...but misleading.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:24:47 GMT -5
Now, back to proving that bodily discharges are now deemed "clean". That is part of the Livitical Law, which we are not burdened with. Acts 15
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Now show me where the Bible says pulling out and discharging outside your wife = fornication. If not then you loose I win....woohoo ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:26:26 GMT -5
None of what you just posted states that bodily discharges are to be seen as clean. Not one word there says "bodily discharge is clean" or that The Law is abolished (in fact, Jesus fullfilled The Law and it is in effect until His return). So, "if" you really follow Christ, you must follow what Christ said. That The Law is in effect until His return. Therefore, it is still valid. Even if you choose to not believe what Jesus said. Now, back to proving that bodily discharges are now deemed "clean". Where is your scripture that states that (in context, not alluded to, not one verse that refers to food)? Like I said I have no problem with you keeping the livitical law but would you burden me with it? Nice try, but that scripture you quoted is talking about salvation. Jesus has spoken...accept what He has stated; Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The Law (according to Jesus Christ) still stands. Accept it. The sooner you do, the sooner the rest of Scripture will make sense to you. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2009 13:27:37 GMT -5
Steven, then you should have said that. You just said "it's not for you to decide" or something like that. Which is true...but misleading. Read the text Em. I actually did say that it was God's place to say what is sin, not mine. And if I wrote that I agree with God, what is misleading about that? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 13:30:37 GMT -5
Like I said I have no problem with you keeping the livitical law but would you burden me with it? Nice try, but that scripture you quoted is talking about salvation. Jesus has spoken...accept what He has stated; Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The Law (according to Jesus Christ) still stands. Accept it. The sooner you do, the sooner the rest of Scripture will make sense to you. That means that you cannot only not discharge but you MUST keep all 613 levitical laws which include not eating pork, shrimp or shaving. #1 I am sure you shave. #2 The N.T. Clearly saws that we can eat any meat we want. #3 The N.T. states we are not under the law any more. You are fighting a loosing battle matter of fact you have already lost you might as well give up. but I know from experience you will not even after you know you have been defeated you will keep going and going and going. |
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