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Post by teresahrc on Jul 24, 2009 22:31:51 GMT -5
Should we act differently when "in Church" than when "at home"? Should our behaviors change when "in Church"?
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Post by Ramon on Jul 24, 2009 23:54:02 GMT -5
Should we act differently when "in Church" than when "at home"? Should our behaviors change when "in Church"? Actually, we shouldn't "change". How we act in Church is essentially the way we SHOULD act outside the Church. In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 25, 2009 9:11:52 GMT -5
Should women always be silent then?
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Post by Ramon on Jul 25, 2009 18:21:26 GMT -5
Should women always be silent then? Depending on what you mean. Although in Orthodoxy, women can not be Priests or Bishops, they can still be part of other areas of the Church. For example, a women can be part of a Choir. Are women completely silent in Catholic Churches? Actually Heather, I was talking specifically about the Christian walk. In other words, a Christian shouldn't act like a devil at home, and then a Holy Angel at Church..... In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 26, 2009 16:01:01 GMT -5
Heck no women are not to be silent at home. And yes you should act differently in God's house than you do your own. Would you have sex in church? NOPE. Would you watch tv in church? NOPE Would you talk loudly in church? Nope Would you read a book during church? nope. Would you bust out laughing in the middle of church? Nope
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 8:23:48 GMT -5
Should we act differently when "in Church" than when "at home"? Should our behaviors change when "in Church"? I tell my daughters to judge "how" they dress by "what" they'd wear to Church.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2009 9:12:58 GMT -5
Should women always be silent then? If they believe that The Church is not a building, but a body of believers, then yes, because to them, they are always "in" Church and The Bible says that they must be silent always. Again, that's "if" one believes that when Paul stated this, he wasn't talking about being in an actual "church" (the building).  |
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Post by alfie on Jul 28, 2009 12:02:53 GMT -5
Should we act differently when "in Church" than when "at home"? Should our behaviors change when "in Church"? I tell my daughters to judge "how" they dress by "what" they'd wear to Church. My pastor preached a sermon on women and how they should dress modestly but it didn't do any good. It's like Miss California. Look at how she dresses. I don't know how long she has been a Christian so I can't judge her if if she is a baby Christian but a mature Christian woman isn't going to prance around virtually naked on TV in front of millions of people. |
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Post by alfie on Jul 28, 2009 12:14:31 GMT -5
Should women always be silent then? If they believe that The Church is not a building, but a body of believers, then yes, because to them, they are always "in" Church and The Bible says that they must be silent always. Again, that's "if" one believes that when Paul stated this, he wasn't talking about being in an actual "church" (the building). So how are women suppose to prophesize if they must keep silent? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2009 18:38:35 GMT -5
That's a good question alfie. How are you going to figure out the answer?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2009 22:08:17 GMT -5
Ok, how many women do you see in the Catholic Church being silent?  NONE!! Ok, so this should show us that we dont have to be! |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 9:12:24 GMT -5
I tell my daughters to judge "how" they dress by "what" they'd wear to Church. My pastor preached a sermon on women and how they should dress modestly but it didn't do any good. It's like Miss California. Look at how she dresses. I don't know how long she has been a Christian so I can't judge her if if she is a baby Christian but a mature Christian woman isn't going to prance around virtually naked on TV in front of millions of people. Ah yes, Ms. Prejean. I never understood how one could profess to be such a moral Christian, yet take semi-nude photos and walk around on a stage in high heels and a bikini (which is nothing more than underwear). I'm no saint, but a person like that should be the last person to be a spokesman for conservative Christians. Frankly, she didn't win because she was just not as qualified as the other contestant. When she began crying that it was because of her moral beliefs, she reminded me of those minorities who get caught breaking the law and start crying racism. Do the crime, do the time. Period. Then, on top of all that, she was a miserable failure as Ms. California in fullfilling her duties to her state. There, she reminds me of Sarah Palin. Couldn't even handle being Ms. California (as Sarah couldn't handle being Governor) and she wanted to be Ms. Universe (like Sarah wanted to be VP)? Ms. Prejean quit being Ms. Cali. Sarah quit being Gov. Both however are definitely knockouts! ;D Anyway, I'd like to see "real" Christians represent Christianity (not psuedo-Christians). To be honest with you, I believe Ms. Prejean just ran with the conservative talk just to drum up publicitiy for her cause (which ultimately is celebritism). I hear she has a book coming out now...oh! Look at that! Another "Palin" comparison! LOL! I never understood what what a woman's body had to do with them representing their state or country or the universe. I think we are way too caught up with looks in this country. I'd like to see a "healthy" Ms. Universe. I remember when Alicia Machado (Ms. Venezuela) won Ms. Universe a few years ago and she was criticized and threatened with losing her crown because she gained too much weight. That was ridiculous. At least the good thing about that is that Ms. Universes after that began to have a little more meat on their bones. |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 9:17:25 GMT -5
If they believe that The Church is not a building, but a body of believers, then yes, because to them, they are always "in" Church and The Bible says that they must be silent always. Again, that's "if" one believes that when Paul stated this, he wasn't talking about being in an actual "church" (the building). So how are women suppose to prophesize if they must keep silent? Personally, I believe that women being silent in Church has nothing to do with them being quiet all the time. I know that when Paul said what he said about women teaching, he meant in worship. Prophesizing is not teaching, but revelation. There is academic teaching then there is just revelation which anybody can do (whom God chooses to do). Paul (in my opinion) was saying that only men could be Priests (as he was a Priest himself). Women never were religious leaders during the time of Christ (when He walked the earth) and that is how it The Church should be reflected today. I can't speak for other religions for each religion has the right to do things there way, but I as a Christian have to stick to scripture and how it represented The Church and it's heirchy. In The Catholic Church, women are well honored. Mary is a prime example as are The Saints (which are mostly women). There is a belief that as God created, His creations became greater than the past (first the earth, then the beasts, then man and finally woman) and thus, woman was gifted with being godlike in being able to put forth life through here womb. The Bible literally says that this act graces women. |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2009 10:15:50 GMT -5
Ok, how many women do you see in the Catholic Church being silent? NONE!! Ok, so this should show us that we dont have to be! LOL! I'm sure YOU'RE not silent in Church! LOL! In fact, I find it hard to imagine you being silent at all Marcie! LOL! But anyway, in case you haven't caught on to this thread, it's a "Catch 22" thread. It's a set up. If a Christian believes that the Church is only a spiritual body of believers (and not a building as well), then they have to accept it Sola Scripturally, that what Paul was saying was that women have to be quiet at all times if "they" are the Church. LOL! |
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Post by alfie on Jul 29, 2009 15:31:45 GMT -5
Ok, how many women do you see in the Catholic Church being silent? NONE!! Ok, so this should show us that we dont have to be! LOL! I'm sure YOU'RE not silent in Church! LOL! In fact, I find it hard to imagine you being silent at all Marcie! LOL! But anyway, in case you haven't caught on to this thread, it's a "Catch 22" thread. It's a set up. If a Christian believes that the Church is only a spiritual body of believers (and not a building as well), then they have to accept it Sola Scripturally, that what Paul was saying was that women have to be quiet at all times if "they" are the Church. LOL! In the Epistles and Acts Paul had the Judaizers following him around and the Judaizers wanted the Christian church to observe the Law of Moses. Synagoges had men and women sit separetly from each other and women weren't allowed to talk. Then you had women converts who had come from pagan temples and they were disrupting worship so Paul told them to be silent. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 29, 2009 16:40:30 GMT -5
Where did you learn this alfie? I don't remember reading all that in the Bible.
The Bible doesn't say that women are to be silent in the Synagoge, it says "church". Are you saying that "church" is a place of worship now? And aren't we supposed to always be worshipping God, 24/7? Does the Bible say that there is a specific place that we should go to "worship" God? Not just for Jews, but for Christians as well?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 29, 2009 23:03:52 GMT -5
Ok, how many women do you see in the Catholic Church being silent? NONE!! Ok, so this should show us that we dont have to be! LOL! I'm sure YOU'RE not silent in Church! LOL! In fact, I find it hard to imagine you being silent at all Marcie! LOL! But anyway, in case you haven't caught on to this thread, it's a "Catch 22" thread. It's a set up. If a Christian believes that the Church is only a spiritual body of believers (and not a building as well), then they have to accept it Sola Scripturally, that what Paul was saying was that women have to be quiet at all times if "they" are the Church. LOL! Im not "silent" in church, i just wisper...like everyone else! |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 8:46:53 GMT -5
In the Epistles and Acts Paul had the Judaizers following him around and the Judaizers wanted the Christian church to observe the Law of Moses. Synagoges had men and women sit separetly from each other and women weren't allowed to talk. Then you had women converts who had come from pagan temples and they were disrupting worship so Paul told them to be silent. Those women were probably used to being able to talk during pagan ceremonies. Pagans have female priests and ministers too. Jesus never ordained (at least according to scripture) any women. He did however praise those women who did wonderful works (like the woman who annointed His feet and wiped her tears from them with her hair). |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 30, 2009 9:39:09 GMT -5
LOL! I'm sure YOU'RE not silent in Church! LOL! In fact, I find it hard to imagine you being silent at all Marcie! LOL! But anyway, in case you haven't caught on to this thread, it's a "Catch 22" thread. It's a set up. If a Christian believes that the Church is only a spiritual body of believers (and not a building as well), then they have to accept it Sola Scripturally, that what Paul was saying was that women have to be quiet at all times if "they" are the Church. LOL! Im not "silent" in church, i just wisper...like everyone else! LOL! You know, that makes me think of something...racial stereotypes "in" Church! The Hispanics always "overdress" and their women dress entirely too sexy! The Italians act like they own The Church! The Irish always leave early! Old women talk too much and too loud IN the sanctuary! The Indians & The Philipinos seem to be the most reverant! The Mexicans have too many parties in the hall! LOL! I'm sorry, this is what I see for decades! LOL! |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 30, 2009 23:05:55 GMT -5
My maw maw is french and she goes to 4pm mass on saterday at 3 so she can pray for an hour before mass. She is the only person i know that is happy about everything, she does not fear death, she does not hate people, she always tells me..."let go and let god". She is the best catholic i know.. you never hear anything negative out of her! God bess her!
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NONE!! Ok, so this should show us that we dont have to be!