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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 8, 2009 1:11:04 GMT -5
The health bill should not help the poor fund the abortions....if it does then you are dead wrong for supporting it! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Cepha on Sept 8, 2009 11:03:03 GMT -5
The health bill should not help the poor fund the abortions....if it does then you are dead wrong for supporting it! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Health care plans proposed do not fund abortion. That is no where in The Bill. Why do people keep bringing up these falsehoods to lie to The American People? OH! Because their lieing Republicans! ;D |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 8, 2009 21:45:29 GMT -5
Indeed, a detailed analysis of the Democrats’ government takeover of health care finds that small businesses and their employees don’t fare well under the legislation. Here are just a few examples: - Page 155-157; Section 321– This section imposes fines of $100 per employee per day on employers who do not offer a level of health coverage that is “government-approved”(employers would pay this fine every day until the oversight is corrected). This means that fines of up to $500,000 can be imposed on employers who make an honest mistake, thinking they had provided what the government deemed “sufficient” coverage. - Page 189; Section 421 (b)(2) – Under the bill, small businesses could receive subsidies to cover a portion of their health care costs. However, to receive a full subsidy, the average employee income must be below $20,000 and have fewer than 10 employees. This creates a perverse incentive to keep wages low and to not hire new workers. - Page 150; Section 313 – The bill includes a “small business exclusion” from the eight percent payroll tax, but the definition of small business in the bill leaves a large number of small businesses subject to the full eight percent tax. In fact, on average, small businesses with as few as 12 employees would be subject to a new payroll tax through the bill if they could not afford to provide coverage. Worse, the bill does not index to inflation the amounts which trigger the “small business exemption” meaning that Democrats have built into the bill a mechanism that capture and subject more small employers to the eight percent tax over time. - Page 198; Section 441 – If the government does not realize savings the authors of the bill claim will occur – even though congressional scorekeepers did not project any savings from these provisions – then the national small business surtax is automatically increased. - Pages 144-149; Section 312 – The bill mandates that employer contributions cannot come through salary reductions. Under this section, employers have to make a minimum contribution toward the health benefits plan premium for both full-time and less than full-time employees. By the terms of this provision, they cannot take that contribution out of an employee’s salary. That defies logic since any contribution that an employer makes toward a health care premium is necessarily money it cannot pay to its employees in salary. This will lead substantial layoffs as employers face this de facto tax. Small businesses are the engine of our economy. Instead of punishing them with more taxes and mandates, shouldn’t Washington be encouraging them to create more jobs and provide their employees and their families access to more affordable health care? gopleader.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=141996 |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 8, 2009 21:49:34 GMT -5
Conservative Democrats Warn Against Funding Abortion in Healthcare Reform
July 01, 2009 04:44 PM ET | Dan Gilgoff | Permanent Link | Print
By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country
The Family Research Council isn't usually in the business of praising Democrats. But it's giving props to 19 House Dems for writing to Speaker Nancy Pelosi to say that healthcare reform must avoid ushering in government-funded abortion.
It will be fascinating to watch how the abortion-rights community responds as more and more abortion opponents raise the issue, now that President Obama's healthcare reform drive is running full-tilt.
Here's the letter:
June 25, 2009
Dear Honorable Pelosi:
As the debate on health care reform continues and legislation is produced, it is imperative that the issue of abortion not be overlooked. Plans to mandate coverage for abortions, either directly or indirectly is unacceptable.
We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.
Furthermore, we want to ensure that the Health Benefits Advisory Committee cannot recommend abortion services be included under covered benefits or as part of a benefits package. Without an explicit exclusion, abortion could be included in a government subsidized health care plan under general health care. The health care reform package produced by Congress will be landmark, and with legislation as important as this, abortion must be addressed clearly in the bill text.
Furthermore, funding restrictions save lives by reducing the number of abortions. The Guttmacher Policy Review, a leading pro-choice research organization noted "that about one third of women who would have had an abortion if support were available carried their pregnancies to term when the abortion fund was unavailable."
Thank you for taking the time to consider our request. By ensuring that abortions are not funded through any health care reform package, we will take this controversial issue off the table so that Congress can focus on crafting a broadly-supported health care reform bill.
Respectfully yours,
Reps. Dan Boren (D-OK); Bart Stupak (D-MI); Colin Peterson (D-MN); Tim Holden (D-PA); Travis Childers (D-MS); Lincoln Davis (D-TN); Heath Shuler (D-NC) Solomon Ortiz (D-TX); Mike McIntyre (D-NC); Jerry Costello (D-IL); Gene Taylor (D-MS); James Oberstar (D-MN); Bobby Bright (D-AL); Steve Driehaus (D-OH); Marcy Kaptur (D-OH); Charlie Melancon (D-LA); John Murtha (D-PA); Paul Kanjorski (D-PA); and Kathleen Dahlkemper (D-PA).
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 8, 2009 21:50:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Sept 9, 2009 7:58:24 GMT -5
Indeed, a detailed analysis of the Democrats’ government takeover of health care finds that small businesses and their employees don’t fare well under the legislation. Here are just a few examples: - Page 155-157; Section 321– This section imposes fines of $100 per employee per day on employers who do not offer a level of health coverage that is “government-approved”(employers would pay this fine every day until the oversight is corrected). This means that fines of up to $500,000 can be imposed on employers who make an honest mistake, thinking they had provided what the government deemed “sufficient” coverage. - Page 189; Section 421 (b)(2) – Under the bill, small businesses could receive subsidies to cover a portion of their health care costs. However, to receive a full subsidy, the average employee income must be below $20,000 and have fewer than 10 employees. This creates a perverse incentive to keep wages low and to not hire new workers. - Page 150; Section 313 – The bill includes a “small business exclusion” from the eight percent payroll tax, but the definition of small business in the bill leaves a large number of small businesses subject to the full eight percent tax. In fact, on average, small businesses with as few as 12 employees would be subject to a new payroll tax through the bill if they could not afford to provide coverage. Worse, the bill does not index to inflation the amounts which trigger the “small business exemption” meaning that Democrats have built into the bill a mechanism that capture and subject more small employers to the eight percent tax over time. - Page 198; Section 441 – If the government does not realize savings the authors of the bill claim will occur – even though congressional scorekeepers did not project any savings from these provisions – then the national small business surtax is automatically increased. - Pages 144-149; Section 312 – The bill mandates that employer contributions cannot come through salary reductions. Under this section, employers have to make a minimum contribution toward the health benefits plan premium for both full-time and less than full-time employees. By the terms of this provision, they cannot take that contribution out of an employee’s salary. That defies logic since any contribution that an employer makes toward a health care premium is necessarily money it cannot pay to its employees in salary. This will lead substantial layoffs as employers face this de facto tax. Small businesses are the engine of our economy. Instead of punishing them with more taxes and mandates, shouldn’t Washington be encouraging them to create more jobs and provide their employees and their families access to more affordable health care? gopleader.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=141996I'm glad you chose to quote John Boehner (a well known lier!)! Here is FactCheck.org's analysis of the false statements put out by The Republican Party (FactCheck is a non-paritsan group that review both Democrats and Republicans)... Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true. www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/ |
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Post by alfie on Sept 9, 2009 22:01:50 GMT -5
I listened to Obama's speech tonight.
All I could think about were the government run VA hospitals and how depressing they are.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 10, 2009 10:24:48 GMT -5
A new Gallup Poll finds 39% of Americans directing their member of Congress to vote against a healthcare reform bill this fall while 37% want their member to vote in favor. Opponents of reform are more likely than supporters to say the issue will be a factor in their 2010 vote.---From gallup
Yeah, does not seem like the MAJORITY of AMERICANS are for it....
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Post by Cepha on Sept 10, 2009 13:46:36 GMT -5
I listened to Obama's speech tonight. All I could think about were the government run VA hospitals and how depressing they are. Yes, it's ashame, isn't it? Since this war started, care for the Vets has gone down tremendously. But, I'm sure President Obama is going to straighten that out when it comes up on his agenda. He can only do a few things at a time. He has a big mess to clean up. Good thing Medicare/Medicaid isnt' run like the VA Hospitals are. According to The Republicans, 80% of Americans are happy with their Government Run Health Care.  |
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Post by Cepha on Sept 10, 2009 19:14:01 GMT -5
A new Gallup Poll finds 39% of Americans directing their member of Congress to vote against a healthcare reform bill this fall while 37% want their member to vote in favor. Opponents of reform are more likely than supporters to say the issue will be a factor in their 2010 vote.---From gallup Yeah, does not seem like the MAJORITY of AMERICANS are for it.... So that means the that majority of American "aren't" directing their member of Congress to vote against a health care reform bill this month? LOL! |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Sept 11, 2009 15:03:57 GMT -5
In case i am losing my mind...39% is more than 37%! That means the majority of americans are not with the plan. duh
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Post by Cepha on Sept 11, 2009 19:57:18 GMT -5
In case i am losing my mind...39% is more than 37%! That means the majority of americans are not with the plan. duh Yes, you are losing your mind! LOL! 39% is "not" the majority! Even if it's more than 37%, it still isn't The Majority Marcie! LOL! 39% is only 39% no matter how you try to slice it! LOL! |
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