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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 10, 2008 23:35:28 GMT -5
[Great Commission: Question to my Evangelical brothers][sorry, the title got cut off].
Ok, the Great Comission (Matt 28:19) is given to the Apostles only or also to us?
Pax Christi
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 10, 2008 23:38:00 GMT -5
*Since the Resurrected Lord is talking only to the Apostles (the Eleven), they have the utmost authority as given by Christ (take in account that in John 21 He also breathed on them).
However, other parts of the Gospel and the NT makes it clear that this Great Comission is also for all Christians.
The Apostles had this as their only duty and only work. They had full authority from Christ.
We have the full command too, but unless God calls us as missionaries or priests, we are to live our lives and presenting Christ to all we can. This is in a way different than the Apostles' mission.
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 12, 2008 0:44:23 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Cepha on Apr 12, 2008 3:05:58 GMT -5
I believe that He only commissioned (ordained) The Apostles and whoever they (ordained) commissioned afterwards.
The easy answer is to "whom" does Jesus talk to when He says certain things?
We'll find that on matters of teaching authority, on forgiveness of sins acting on His behalf, on being accepted by laymen, He speaks only to The Apostles.
Jesus clearly defines and distinuishes the role of the Priest and the layman.
Everything The Apostles do, they are acting on Christ's behalf as Jesus was acting on God The Father's behalf. Everything Jesus did, they were able to do (which includes passing on this authority to others through Apostolic Succession as proven in Acts with Matthais replacing Judas...and so on, and so on...).
Then on general matters, He addresses all believers collectively(laymen and Apostles included). There are some teachings that only apply to The Apostles and some that apply to both Apostles and Disciples.
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 14, 2008 0:23:39 GMT -5
Evangelical friends, where are you?!
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 8:03:42 GMT -5
I voted "all".
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Post by Cepha on Apr 14, 2008 10:30:13 GMT -5
Nah...He only commissioned The Apostles. The Apostles are His lambs, because they would go on to be slaughtered too (except for John who had to provide care for Mary). The Disciples (that's us) are called His Sheep. They are led by the Shepherd (which is whoever is The Church leader at the time). Unless anyone can produce a scriptures were Jesus commissions the multitudes.  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 10:34:52 GMT -5
So the apostles spread the Gospel, but we're not suppost to now?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 14, 2008 10:40:58 GMT -5
The Commission was to baptize in His name.
Do you think that you can do that?
That you have that authority to do that?
Have you quit your job, left behind your husband and parents and your children and your home to serve God exclusively like The Apostles did?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 10:43:03 GMT -5
I thought the Great Commission was to spread the Gospel, to help lead people to Christ...then another could do the baptizing part.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 14, 2008 10:52:09 GMT -5
I thought the Great Commission was to spread the Gospel, to help lead people to Christ...then another could do the baptizing part. Nope. The Great Commission is to do their Priestly duties which includes baptizing. How many people do you know that can heal people with thier shadow like Peter could? Or who's touch on a cloth could heal people Paul? Or who could by their words order death upon people like Peter? Only The Apostles did this. Only The Apostles and their Deacons did this. Priests are separated from men by Jesus Christ (who was a Priest Himself...as ordered by God). |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 12:30:59 GMT -5
So...we're not suppost to spread the Gospel of Jesus?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 6:31:31 GMT -5
So...we're not suppost to spread the Gospel of Jesus? No, I'm not saying that. But there is a difference between being commissioned to do that and just doing it out of your heart. You don't have to be commissioned to spread The Gospel. Anybody can do that. But you have to be commissioned (ordained) to baptize. There is a difference. |
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Post by teresahrc on Sept 15, 2008 14:16:47 GMT -5
A lot of people don't realize that the Great Commission is not just to get people "saved". Jesus said he wants the Converts Baptized and taught to obey everything He commanded! Sounds pretty Catholic to me.
When we were applying to mission organizations(protestant) we found out that a lot of them don't recommed baptism of converts...too "dangerous". And since they have no Apostolic Authority, and no unity, the new converts quickly become confused, especially when there are several denominations in the area. It's really sad.
Let's hope and pray that our gifted evangelists in the protestant churches will at least baptize the converts (the proper way) and lets hope they return to the Mother Church so that the Great Commission can TRULY be fulfilled.
teresa
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Post by doxology on Jul 11, 2009 20:27:45 GMT -5
Actually Cepha the church teaches that when people are in danger of death anyone can baptize, even a nonbeliever(this later part somewhat disturbs me) provided that they have the proper intention.
So strictly speaking you do not have to be ordained to baptize, afterall we accept the validity of some protestant baptisms.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 11, 2009 23:41:58 GMT -5
I have heard of this too, like if you come upon a car wreck and someones is going to die, you can baptise them.
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 12, 2009 14:26:01 GMT -5
1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
2 Timothy 4
Those who perform the duties of the Apostles are not acting on their own authority. Even priests, deacons and others in the Church such as Religious Education instructors are all under the Bishop's authority. They are permitted, and encouraged to "discharge the duties of their ministry" but it is still their ministry. Those who teach and preach and other things that Jesus commanded the Apostles are not acting on their own but are in submission to their Bishop.
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Post by Cepha on Jul 13, 2009 11:46:58 GMT -5
Actually Cepha the church teaches that when people are in danger of death anyone can baptize, even a nonbeliever(this later part somewhat disturbs me) provided that they have the proper intention. So strictly speaking you do not have to be ordained to baptize, afterall we accept the validity of some protestant baptisms. I know that. |
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