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Apr 11, 2008 10:27:37 GMT -5
Post by alfie on Apr 11, 2008 10:27:37 GMT -5
I believe as a Protestant I have more faith than a Catholic. Catholics rely on all kinds of things like relics, the "Host" and other physical evidence to boost their faith. You know all the bells and whistles. To me that is carnal not spiritual. Jesus only spoke in the first four books of the New Testament and yet that is enough for me to believe that he died for my sins and rose from the dead. On the other hand Catholics need the writings of the ECFS and such to help convince them to have faith.
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Faith
Apr 11, 2008 12:26:50 GMT -5
Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 11, 2008 12:26:50 GMT -5
As a Catholic Christian, i feel that i am getting the fullness of faith. I see Catholics being more spiritual than protestants because Catholics believe and do more religious "works", like Jesus and the Apostles taught. It blows my mind of how hard Protestants try to be "anti-catholic". If they would just read the Bible chapter by chapter and not verse here and there, then they might just see the big picture and not just what they "want" to see. I believe that being Protestant is just an easy way out of having to lead a strict Chrisian life. We could begin with how protestants support gay rights, have high divorce rates, and commonly support abortion. None of the above will you find accepted in the Catholic Church, why? Because Jesus does not accept it!
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Faith
Apr 16, 2008 13:21:21 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 13:21:21 GMT -5
Well that certainly takes faith since faith is believing in something without proof.  Relics Mark 15:43; John 19:38 - Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ's dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord's body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 - the women came to further anoint Christ's body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 - Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus' grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord's body.
Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ's cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
Acts 19:11-12 - Paul's handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.
Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.
Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha's bones bring a man back to life. The saints' bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age.
Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 – we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 – we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them). Wrong. Jesus spoke in 6 books in The New Testament. He spoke in The Gospels (4), The Book of Acts and The Book of Revelation. Well, when you consdider that The Holy Bible was created by The Early Church Fathers, I guess that makes you guilty of the same. But hey, even The Holy Bible tells us to rely on the written traditions that have been passed on to us: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter from us." If you don't follow The Church Fathers, then you must abandon your Bible. It was created by them.  By the way...I went to that Gideon's Sword Site you invited me to. Wayyyyyyy to outer limits for me. They talk about some weird stuff there. But you're welcome to invite anybody from there over here. It's so dark sided! Reminds me of this... youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4
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Faith
Aug 4, 2008 22:56:02 GMT -5
Post by Cepha on Aug 4, 2008 22:56:02 GMT -5
No true christian of any denomination would support gay rights, abortions, ect... Amen to that. So long as we don't support the sin, we may love and support the sinner.  |
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Aug 16, 2008 23:30:13 GMT -5
Post by redsoxfan on Aug 16, 2008 23:30:13 GMT -5
Well that certainly takes faith since faith is believing in something without proof. Relics Mark 15:43; John 19:38 - Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ's dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord's body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 - the women came to further anoint Christ's body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 - Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus' grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord's body.
Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ's cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
Acts 19:11-12 - Paul's handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.
Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.
Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha's bones bring a man back to life. The saints' bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age.
Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 – we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 – we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them). Wrong. Jesus spoke in 6 books in The New Testament. He spoke in The Gospels (4), The Book of Acts and The Book of Revelation. Well, when you consdider that The Holy Bible was created by The Early Church Fathers, I guess that makes you guilty of the same. But hey, even The Holy Bible tells us to rely on the written traditions that have been passed on to us: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter from us." If you don't follow The Church Fathers, then you must abandon your Bible. It was created by them. By the way...I went to that Gideon's Sword Site you invited me to. Wayyyyyyy to outer limits for me. They talk about some weird stuff there. But you're welcome to invite anybody from there over here. It's so dark sided! Reminds me of this... youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4 Hey leave my ex out of this!!!  |
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