Who tells you "how" to be a Christian?

[Cepha]

Apr 7, 2008 16:43:40 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

When you have the authority to teach out of a book no one can read, you have the oppurtunity to make up whatever you want it to say. Like indulgances or whatever it was called.

Sounds like you're talking about Jesus there. Same deal.

Do you know why there is so much Biblical Artwork in Catholic Churches?

Because it was started by tradition. Because most people couldn't read, The Church commissioned the world's greatest artists to create scenes from The Bible so that unlearned Christians could visualize the stories.

The thing is that the same Church that God chose to create The Bible is the same Chruch He entrusted to teach it.

Are you saying that God would choose The Catholic Church to create The Bible, then allow it to teach The Bible without His guidance?

That God screwed Christians by letting The Church create His Bible then abandoned The Church to man's whims?

[Cepha]

Apr 7, 2008 16:49:17 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

Indulgances were ok then?

Oh please. The last thing you want to do is to bring out the sins of men and to say that they are the Church's.

Was "slavery" ok?

And are we talking about the Catholic Indulgences in the 15th century?

Or the Protestant Indulgences going on today
(where Protestants are promised "blessings" and "prosperity"
if they give money to their church or Pastor or buy things from their church)?

Which are you talking about?

Ancient history?

Or present occurances?

[emily445455]

I was just trying to make a point that not everything the CC taught was Biblical.

[Cepha]

Apr 7, 2008 18:17:41 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

I was just trying to make a point that not everything the CC taught was Biblical.

What about The Rapture?

Or that Divorce is ok?

Or that Abortion is ok?

Those things aren't Biblical.

Tell me something that The Catholic Church teaches "isn't" Biblical.

[emily445455]

Ok you missed the point...Marcie said "now we can see they weren't making anything up" and I just brought up the point that some things, like indulgances, were made up.

[cradlecathlic27]

I think he gets your point, your not seeing his...he is trying to say that the indugences of early time where a mans problem not what The Church was for. So you cant hold what some think to The Church when the church does not teach it.

[emily445455]

...what?

[cradlecathlic27]

nevermind emily...

[emily445455]

The CC was selling indulgances...correct?

[Cepha]

Apr 7, 2008 21:45:52 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

The CC was selling indulgances...correct?

You mean like the Protestants are selling indulgences today?

[jacee]

Cepha

I would like to understand what you mean when you say that you follow Jesus....

is not a trick question...have nothing up my sleeve....I want to understand.

[Cepha]

How do I follow Jesus?

By obeying the successors of those He sent to guide us.

Of course, I'm probably the only one on this board to have actually "seen" Jesus literally, so that kind of helps. He told me I was correct to be where I was (in His Church).

Have "you" ever encountered Jesus Christ personally?

I don't mean a "feeling", but actually seeing Him and having Him address you?

(I should mention that I was clinically dead for over and hour and took that ride up the escalator to Heaven)

[emily445455]

grrr cepha, I'm not talking about today I'm talking about back then! The CC had the power to teach the people and they abused it...that was my point. I think, I don't even know what my point was anymore.

I have a hard time believing those stories...no offense.

[Cepha]

Apr 8, 2008 8:14:07 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

grrr cepha, I'm not talking about today I'm talking about back then! The CC had the power to teach the people and they abused it...that was my point. I think, I don't even know what my point was anymore.

I have a hard time believing those stories...no offense.

You said that they were keeping the Bible from people, right?

You meant to say that they are doing it today?

Again, what is your source of this information?

Do you have a Church Document that states this?

Some sort of proof?

Or is this just your heresay?

As for the stories, once you begin to study secular history, you'll believe then. Of course it's hard for you now, because you've been misindoctrinated.

I can't wait for you to begin your own personal studies without the influence of anti-Catholics. It's going to be an eyeopening day for you.

Then you'll have no excuse to "not" believe in what the rest of Christianity has already known for thousands of years.

[emily445455]

I never said they are doing it today.

[Cepha]

Apr 8, 2008 13:07:49 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

I never said they are doing it today.

Ok, "back then" (I misread what you wrote).

Now, what's your "proof" that they were keeping The Bible from people?

[emily445455]

Again, I believe what the people say in my church who have taken classes on this subject. When I graduate, sometime, I'll take them too.

[Cepha]

Apr 8, 2008 13:16:46 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

Again, I believe what the people say in my church who have taken classes on this subject. When I graduate, sometime, I'll take them too.

Yes...you believe in "people".

I agree with you on that wholeheartedly.

But you've never questioned the sources, have you?

Have you ever tested the "spirit" of those who have misindoctrinated you?

By the way...them "saying" it's so, doesn't constitue proof.

[emily445455]

I've said many times I will take the classes. Then I can give you all sorts of sources. Probably won't be for at least a year though...maybe more.

[Cepha]

Apr 8, 2008 13:23:07 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

I've said many times I will take the classes. Then I can give you all sorts of sources. Probably won't be for at least a year though...maybe more.

Then don't you think that it's wise to "not" quote what you don't know for yourself for sure and that it is not wise to place your faith in men's teachings?