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Post by Jimmy B. on Apr 13, 2008 2:06:04 GMT -5
Why is it that when non-Catholic Christians like something from Catholicism, they refer to the Catholicism as simply, "the early church", and when they don't, they refer to the Early Church, as the "Catholic Church". 
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 10:39:01 GMT -5
Cafetiria Christianity.
They pick and choose what they want to believe.
If Protestantism was true and right in being anti-Catholic,
then there wouldn't be 34,000+ different versions of it.
They can't even agree amongst themselves which leads to the teaching about The Church built upon The Rock:
Matthew 7
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Which house looks like the one built upon rock (Hint: Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")?
Which one represents the house built upon man (sand/soil)?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 15:34:02 GMT -5
Why is it that when non-Catholic Christians like something from Catholicism, they refer to the Catholicism as simply, "the early church", and when they don't, they refer to the Early Church, as the "Catholic Church". It's like they miss this: Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). " ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished."
Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).
“…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.”
The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).
All this..."before" The Holy Bible was ever created. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 13, 2008 18:39:57 GMT -5
Yum, cake! Pineapple for me please.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 19:27:17 GMT -5
Yum, cake! Pineapple for me please. You go ahead and enjoy that cake M. I'll have the "bread". ;D |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 13, 2008 20:15:04 GMT -5
it was a joke...I don't even know what the thread is about I just saw the title and thought I'd crack one.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 21:35:54 GMT -5
it was a joke...I don't even know what the thread is about I just saw the title and thought I'd crack one. I know.  |
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 14, 2008 0:31:08 GMT -5
we expect to preach, debate, participate, go against, refute, prove wrong,... without reading.... a shame...
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 14, 2008 0:33:06 GMT -5
In other words,
Evangical Church historians, or Evangelical scholars, or knowledgable Protestants who like the teachings that are in line with what the Catholic Church teaches, say that they get their beliefs from the early Church.
Yet when they see somethign "wrong" (that is, that they disagree with) in the early Church, they say it was the Catholic Church's hijacking of the early Church, or some similar nonsense.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 17:15:49 GMT -5
we expect to preach, debate, participate, go against, refute, prove wrong,... without reading.... a shame... Yep...just like The Apostles did! ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 17:17:26 GMT -5
In other words, Evangical Church historians, or Evangelical scholars, or knowledgable Protestants who like the teachings that are in line with what the Catholic Church teaches, say that they get their beliefs from the early Church. Yet when they see somethign "wrong" (that is, that they disagree with) in the early Church, they say it was the Catholic Church's hijacking of the early Church, or some similar nonsense. Burger King Christianity: Have it your way! Fact is if they really wanted to be anti-Catholic, they wouldn't have used The Holy Bible that we created. Period. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 16, 2008 17:44:20 GMT -5
God created it...God chose men to put the Bible together, thus, God created It thru men's hands.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 17:54:30 GMT -5
God created it...God chose men to put the Bible together, thus, God created It thru men's hands. God also chose those Catholics to reveal the doctrines you believe in. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 17:58:23 GMT -5
God created it...God chose men to put the Bible together, thus, God created It thru men's hands. By the way, how did God create it? What do you mean "through" Catholic's hands? Do you mean that Catholics actually "created" it, but God inspired them? Or that God put His hands on Catholic's hands and moved their fingers?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 16, 2008 18:08:23 GMT -5
God inspired men to create it. Men physically created it, but without God it wouldn't have been...or it would have been wrong.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 18:10:03 GMT -5
God inspired men to create it. Men physically created it, but without God it wouldn't have been...or it would have been wrong. So why did The Protestants change God's word in the 16th Century to fit their modern belief systems that didn't exist when The Holy Bible was first created? If it was God who created The Bible, who was King James to change it? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 16, 2008 18:13:55 GMT -5
KJ didn't change it, he had it translated.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 18:14:56 GMT -5
KJ didn't change it, he had it translated. No...He changed it (See The 15 "Rules"). You really need to study the history of The KJV. Also, it was translated into English 1,000 years before King James by The Catholic Church in England. (Also, the first KJV had all 73 books in it for the first 100 years of it's existance. The 7 Books were taken out a hundred years later.) |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 16, 2008 18:24:32 GMT -5
I've said I'll take the course on the KJV sometime. I'm looking foward to it.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 18:28:45 GMT -5
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