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Post by Cepha on Apr 16, 2008 17:29:58 GMT -5
Protestants: Do you believe in The Church Fathers?
If not, why not?
If you attempt to say that you only go by The Bible, it was The Church Fathers who created The Bible, so why wouldn't you listen to men God chose to reveal His Word to?
Are The Church Father's teachings credited to them in your church (Salvation, Justification, Trinity, etc...)?
For example, does your religious leader state who it was that revealed the Doctrine of The Trinity (AD 325 Council of Nicea)?
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 24, 2008 13:20:21 GMT -5
They must not be able to answer this one..
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 24, 2008 13:24:37 GMT -5
The church fathers are still men and can mess up. Therfor, I don't beleive them, just the Bible.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 11:53:32 GMT -5
The church fathers are still men and can mess up. Therfor, I don't beleive them, just the Bible. Yet you believe in those who teach you and in King James? What about The Apostles? Their men too. You don't believe them?  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 3, 2008 16:53:51 GMT -5
Very good cepha, since every pastor believes different things, then which one is right? They all "think" their interpretaion is the truth, but they cant be if they are different.
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 17:48:40 GMT -5
I only believe the Word of God.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:10:56 GMT -5
I only believe the Word of God. When you say that, which "Word of God" do you mean? Jesus? The Holy Bible? And, if it's not The Holy Bible, but a "version" of it that is authorized by a King, then you are not believing in The Word of God The Bible, but a "version" of The Holy Bible that is authorized by a man that you said is authentic because it is authorized by him. |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:11:35 GMT -5
Very good cepha, since every pastor believes different things, then which one is right? They all "think" their interpretaion is the truth, but they cant be if they are different. Her answer states that she doesn't believe in what The Apostles taught. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 18:35:39 GMT -5
When you say that, which "Word of God" do you mean? Jesus? The Holy Bible? And, if it's not The Holy Bible, but a "version" of it that is authorized by a King, then you are not believing in The Word of God The Bible, but a "version" of The Holy Bible that is authorized by a man that you said is authentic because it is authorized by him. The Holy Bible which is Jesus...don't ask me to explain it! lol. The KJV is the Holy Bible because it was translated from the original texts into English. |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 18:36:14 GMT -5
When you say that, which "Word of God" do you mean? Jesus? The Holy Bible? And, if it's not The Holy Bible, but a "version" of it that is authorized by a King, then you are not believing in The Word of God The Bible, but a "version" of The Holy Bible that is authorized by a man that you said is authentic because it is authorized by him. The Holy Bible which is Jesus...don't ask me to explain it! lol. The KJV is the Holy Bible because it was translated from the original texts into English. How do you know it was translated from the original texts? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 18:48:05 GMT -5
Because there were so many Bibles floating around at that time and none of them were accurate, so KJ ordered a new one be translated from the original. People who have studied it told me this, I will study it sometime after I graduate.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 19:46:06 GMT -5
Because there were so many Bibles floating around at that time and none of them were accurate, so KJ ordered a new one be translated from the original. People who have studied it told me this, I will study it sometime after I graduate. Oh...so people "told" you and you automatically believe them and place your faith in the KJV just because you were "told" this? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 19:48:16 GMT -5
I beleive what people say when they have studied it But like I have said several times before this, I will study it sometime. |
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 20:16:14 GMT -5
I beleive what people say when they have studied it But like I have said several times before this, I will study it sometime. So how could you beleive a church that's "studied" it for 20 or 30 years and not believe a Church that's studied it for 2,000 years? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 20:29:02 GMT -5
There are too many things wrong with the CC, it is not a Christian religion. But we have gone all into that and dont have to again.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 21:05:28 GMT -5
You've said that, but you've never proven it.
Why did God choose a non-Christian Church to reveal the canon of The Bible too?
No, we never got to go through that because you never answered my questions as to your proofs of why Catholicism isn't Christian?
And you never proved (when I asked you before) what happened to Christians for the first 1500 years after Jesus died.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 21:15:11 GMT -5
There are too many things wrong with the CC. What about with Protestantism that allows abortion? Or divorce? Or female teachers (pastors)? Or that deny the real presence of The Lord in The Eucharist? Or that have homosexually married clergy? Or that allow unordained men to preach in Jesus' name with no authority? Those are all unbiblical things that are practiced doctrines of Protestants...how can a true Christian adhere to those unbiblical beliefs? Aren't all these things wronger? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 3, 2008 21:22:20 GMT -5
I believe we've gone over what I believe about the CC before. There are many things about the CC that are unBiblical, but the CC either twists Scripture or follow tradition.
Church that support those things are either not Christian or need a good rebuking.
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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 22:04:18 GMT -5
I believe we've gone over what I believe about the CC before. There are many things about the CC that are unBiblical, but the CC either twists Scripture or follow tradition. Church that support those things are either not Christian or need a good rebuking. We haven't gone over this because you're doing the same thing you did before. I've asked you to list the things that they do that's unbiblical. You never did provide me with any proofs. Just accusations. Oh, and it is the Bible that tells us that we are to follow Christians traditions. To "not" follow Christian traditions is what is unbiblical. You practice communion, right? You know that that's a tradition, right? So are bible classes. Also, going to church for service? Tradition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You said a church that supports those things...doesn't your church support those things? |
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Post by emily445455 on May 4, 2008 8:20:40 GMT -5
Actually, communion, Bible studies, and church services are all things we are asked to do in the Bible. I could look up the verses that talk about when Jesus broke the bread and drank the wine and asked us to do that in rememberance of Him. I could also look up where the Bible talks about fellowshiping together with other Believers should be done (Bible study, church service, etc) Very well: Make statues and bowing to them. Believing Mary was sinless. Confession. Letting the Pope change what the CC believes. Works can Save. Not praying to God directly but going thru saints. Believing people can be Saved after they die. Those who aren't Catholic go to hell (or at least this was taught for awhile until the pope changed it) Homosexuality isn't a sin....? I just read that one online somewhere Purgatory. The idea of only certain people can be saints. It is the woman riding the beast in Revelation. It adopted Pagan practices. Infant baptism. Excommunication. The Nicene Creed. Leading multitudes into a religion created and run by satan. There's more, but I can't remember them all. |
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