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Post by Cepha on May 3, 2008 10:57:25 GMT -5
Protestantism can never form "one" Church like Catholicism has.
It is based on man's beliefs and that's why it continues to divide amonst itself just like Jesus said (a house divided among itself cannot stand). It's not "one" Church. It's many churches.
Paul preached strongly against individual Churches developing their own doctrines (something that Protestants believe they have the "right" to do).
Protestantism was born divided among themselves. Martin Luther wanted to burn Ulrich Zwingli at the stake. Calvin had his own armies. It was chaos from the start.
Only Catholicism has been strong from the beginning, through it's own attempts at internal revolution (AKA the famously failed "Reformation") and up until now.
Why? Because Jesus said that The Church built upon Peter would never collapse. Only one Christian Church has never collapsed. The Universal Christian Church.
And it was the only one built upon Peter...The Rock.
Matthew 7:24-28
Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock.
Here, Jesus talks about His Church built upon Peter (literally, the rock he would build His Church upon in just 9 chapters down in the same book of Matthew).
And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house.
The rains and winds are spirits that come to test The Church (The Roman Empire, Demons, The Protestant Reformation, The Priest Sex Scandal, etc...).
And it did not fall, for it was founded on a rock.
Jesus' prophecy of His Church being able to withstand all the attempts of Hell to have it's gates prevail over His Church.
And everyone who hears these sayings of Mine and does not do them shall be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
This is directed at those who call themselves Christians yet outrightly deny His Church, then go on to build their own churches (Protestants) building their churches (houses) upon men (sand, or soil, which men are made from).
And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the wind blew and beat on that house.
When the spirits and demons turned on Protestantism, it was the house that fell into chaos and was beat down. Why? Because it was not founded upon Peter, but upon Martin Luther's beliefs; a man made of soil, or "sand".
Because Protestantism was founded (not upon The Rock, Peter) upon man, it fell into 34,000+ different denominations...AKA, a house (church) being divided amongst itself not being able to stand.
No other church, but "The Church" has withstood 2,000 years of attacks and still survived intact.
Any other Christian churches created after The Universal Christian Church have all fallen into remnants of the original attempt at "reforming" The Catholic Church.
This isn't Catholic history.
It's "actual" history.
And it fell, and great was its fall.
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Post by myredeemerlives on Jul 4, 2008 6:44:51 GMT -5
This doesn't make sense. ALL religions believe that they are God's true church... if you walk into the door and ask any of them if they are God's true church they will answer with a resounding "YES!" Just because a church claims to be God's church, doesn't make it so!
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Post by Cepha on Jul 4, 2008 12:22:30 GMT -5
Exactly, that's why the only way we can truly know is to judge a church by it's history. For example, no church started by a man can rightfully claim to have been physically instituted by Jesus Christ. Only one Church can make that claim and it be true. Now, I'm not saying that God didn't inpire that man to start that particular church (only God knows), but by the standards that human beings can use to truly know, it is a church's lineage that reveals who started it. Again, Jesus only started 1 Church (not 34,000+ "churches"). There were never any denominations in The New Testament and everytime a Christian Church would attempt to strike out on their own, The Apostles would soundly trounce them and theaten them. The Apostles were very strict that all Christians adhere to the one true faith of Christianity and that they not go off into their own religious sects or denominations. Scripture clearly states that Christians are to all act as one (not as 34,000+ "and" one). There is no room for personal interpretation when Jesus said "that they may all be 1".  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 4, 2008 17:33:05 GMT -5
yep
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 7, 2008 0:14:46 GMT -5
No joke, if someone says, yes and there church started in 1905 then...uh common sense says it cant be the True church.
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Post by knuckle on Jul 7, 2008 6:04:07 GMT -5
Hi all-------------
how many churches are there? The Rev. addresses 7 Paul writes his epistles to still others.I have heard folks say that they were all one church yet they are each addressed uniquely.Each had it's own errors, yet the promise to the over comer is still given to each.
much love----------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jul 7, 2008 11:56:48 GMT -5
Hi all------------- how many churches are there? The Rev. addresses 7 Paul writes his epistles to still others.I have heard folks say that they were all one church yet they are each addressed uniquely.Each had it's own errors, yet the promise to the over comer is still given to each. much love----------knuckle One Christian "Church"...many Christian "churches". The Churches mentioned in Scriptures are all members of "one" Church. Paul and Jesus preached against divisions in The Church (not divisions in the churches). There was to be a strict adherence to Doctrine and agreement on "how" they worshipped. At no time was there ever any freedom for Churches to create their own doctrines or go outside of The Church's Heirchy and personally interpret the scriptures (since there was no Bible at this time). |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 8, 2008 0:11:58 GMT -5
this is a no brainer to me!
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Post by Cepha on Jul 8, 2008 0:14:58 GMT -5
I've heard the argument that Churches in The Bible were "allowed" to create their own doctrines and that the only thing that had to be the same was their faith in Christ.
Why doesn't that theory apply to The Church today for them?
One would think that a "Bible Believer" would literally "believe" in The Bible and accept what it says word for word. Literally.
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Post by righteousone on Jul 8, 2008 19:31:03 GMT -5
Not to mention that the church came before the New Testament. Jesus told Peter to start his church, he didn't say to start a bible.
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 23, 2008 12:46:52 GMT -5
Protestants need to get off their little islands and come back to the mainland before they run out of drinking water and start talking to volley balls!
teresa
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Post by Stizzle on Nov 4, 2008 17:04:40 GMT -5
Protestantism can never form "one" Church like Catholicism has. It is based on man's beliefs and that's why it continues to divide amonst itself just like Jesus said (a house divided among itself cannot stand). It's not "one" Church. It's many churches. Paul preached strongly against individual Churches developing their own doctrines (something that Protestants believe they have the "right" to do). Protestantism was born divided among themselves. Martin Luther wanted to burn Ulrich Zwingli at the stake. Calvin had his own armies. It was chaos from the start. Only Catholicism has been strong from the beginning, through it's own attempts at internal revolution (AKA the famously failed "Reformation") and up until now. Why? Because Jesus said that The Church built upon Peter would never collapse. Only one Christian Church has never collapsed. The Universal Christian Church. And it was the only one built upon Peter...The Rock. Matthew 7:24-28
Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock. Here, Jesus talks about His Church built upon Peter (literally, the rock he would build His Church upon in just 9 chapters down in the same book of Matthew). And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. The rains and winds are spirits that come to test The Church (The Roman Empire, Demons, The Protestant Reformation, The Priest Sex Scandal, etc...). And it did not fall, for it was founded on a rock. Jesus' prophecy of His Church being able to withstand all the attempts of Hell to have it's gates prevail over His Church. And everyone who hears these sayings of Mine and does not do them shall be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand. This is directed at those who call themselves Christians yet outrightly deny His Church, then go on to build their own churches (Protestants) building their churches (houses) upon men (sand, or soil, which men are made from). And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the wind blew and beat on that house. When the spirits and demons turned on Protestantism, it was the house that fell into chaos and was beat down. Why? Because it was not founded upon Peter, but upon Martin Luther's beliefs; a man made of soil, or "sand". Because Protestantism was founded (not upon The Rock, Peter) upon man, it fell into 34,000+ different denominations...AKA, a house (church) being divided amongst itself not being able to stand. No other church, but "The Church" has withstood 2,000 years of attacks and still survived intact. Any other Christian churches created after The Universal Christian Church have all fallen into remnants of the original attempt at "reforming" The Catholic Church. This isn't Catholic history. It's "actual" history. And it fell, and great was its fall. The Catholics 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Who wears these particular colours and precious stones??? 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. There are three cities referred to as Babylon in The BOOK; the actual city and 2 others... what are the other cities??? and what are the abominations? 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. What is synonymous with a "woman" in the NT??? And what entity was known for killing the saints??? 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The angel knows...what does he reveal??? 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. What is the beast or rather who is going into perdition??? (same thing really)... Who are those whose names are not written in the Book of Life??? 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The mind that hath WISDOM... What is the city that sits on 7 hills? And what woman sits there??? Plenty of questions and I have seen a myriad of answers... let's all take a look shall we??? YEHOVAH BE PRAISED... |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Nov 4, 2008 19:39:30 GMT -5
is that what your pastor planted into your head to believe?
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