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Post by Cepha on May 15, 2008 8:32:23 GMT -5
"Altar" calls to a podium?
What's up with that?
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Post by knuckle on May 15, 2008 12:50:19 GMT -5
hiya Cepha-----------
Hebrews 13:10 bro----we walk to the podium to be before the congregation but our altar is Christ
much love---------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on May 15, 2008 13:11:11 GMT -5
hiya Cepha----------- Hebrews 13:10 bro----we walk to the podium to be before the congregation but our altar is Christ much love---------------knuckle Here's what I got for Heb: "We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat that serve the tabernacle." So why the physical motion of walking up to a podium if the altar is Jesus? And, is this a biblical practice? And if it's not, is it still a Christian practice? Thanks.  |
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Post by knuckle on May 15, 2008 14:15:08 GMT -5
Hi Cepha--------------
in the OT when the atonement was given one was to stand before the congregation placing thier hand upon the sacrifice at the altar
Christ replaced the sacrifice and the altar but the congregation is still there-- where once this was done at the door it is now done at the sanctuary as the veil is now rent though not specifically directed in the bible it is symbolic of where we stand after the cross.
Just like when you guys take communion your priest stands symbolic of Christ in offering the bread and cup---it is a memoriam in the protestant church the elders or deacons stand in this role ---- you don't just up and take it because it is a gift.
I hope this is making sense
much love---------------knuckle
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Post by redsoxfan on May 27, 2008 11:11:59 GMT -5
I am called to the altar to recieve the Eucharist.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2008 23:03:43 GMT -5
Hi Cepha-------------- in the OT when the atonement was given one was to stand before the congregation placing thier hand upon the sacrifice at the altar Christ replaced the sacrifice and the altar but the congregation is still there-- where once this was done at the door it is now done at the sanctuary as the veil is now rent though not specifically directed in the bible it is symbolic of where we stand after the cross. Just like when you guys take communion your priest stands symbolic of Christ in offering the bread and cup---it is a memoriam in the protestant church the elders or deacons stand in this role ---- you don't just up and take it because it is a gift. I hope this is making sense much love---------------knuckle But The Altar is part of The Law and Jesus said that He didn't come to undo or replace The Law, but to fullfill it and that it would be in effect until His return. Since He hasn't returned, isn't it still in effect? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 2, 2008 23:04:02 GMT -5
I am called to the altar to recieve the Eucharist. Me too. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 16, 2008 21:40:23 GMT -5
"Altar" calls to a podium? What's up with that? I don't know! Whats up with Catholics having an altar to re-sacrifice Jesus over and over again? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 16, 2008 22:01:55 GMT -5
Luke 22.19, Jesus said, “This do in remembrance of me.”
re·mem·brance
1:
the state of bearing in mind
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a: the ability to remember : memory
b: the period over which one's memory extends
3:
an act of recalling to mind
4:
a memory of a person, thing, or event
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a: something that serves to keep in or bring to mind : reminder b: commemoration, memorial c: a greeting or gift recalling or expressing friendship or affection
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 28, 2008 22:10:30 GMT -5
I have a big problem with altar calls.
when I was going to a evangelical methodist church (before i became Catholic) I got my mom to go with me a couple times. She wasn't much of a church goer, and after one service she talked about the "altar call" and how she was actually worried that some people might think that they can't be "saved" if they don't go up to the front of the church!!
Does that bother anyone else out there? Is going to the altar a "work". What about praying the sinner's prayer? Shouldn't it be enough (according to the sola fide theory) that one merely has faith in their heart without even praying a prayer? Is the prayer a "work"? If not, then are "works" only things that are not physical(thinking, believing, feeling etc) but physical things like baptism, prayer, confession are "works" because they are physical?
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2008 11:08:03 GMT -5
I have a big problem with altar calls. when I was going to a evangelical methodist church (before i became Catholic) I got my mom to go with me a couple times. She wasn't much of a church goer, and after one service she talked about the "altar call" and how she was actually worried that some people might think that they can't be "saved" if they don't go up to the front of the church!! Does that bother anyone else out there? Is going to the altar a "work". What about praying the sinner's prayer? Shouldn't it be enough (according to the sola fide theory) that one merely has faith in their heart without even praying a prayer? Is the prayer a "work"? If not, then are "works" only things that are not physical(thinking, believing, feeling etc) but physical things like baptism, prayer, confession are "works" because they are physical? teresa That's the thing about The Five Solas. All of them require "more" things than just what they say they need. For example: Sola Fide says all you have to do is believe. But Satan believes in Jesus. Is he saved? Then they begin with the "ands". Believe "and" this, believe "and" that, etc...so with all the extra "ands", it's no longer "just" faith alone, but faith "and" this "and" that. Total contradictional and oxymoroanic. Sola Scriptura...where is that in The Bible? It's not, yet they believe in an unbiblical doctrine to try to prove that the Bible alone is all they need. I love to ask them that if we only need the Bible, why do you need a Preacher to teach you? That's proof that you need a Bible "and" a Preacher, therefore, it's not "Bible Alone". Again, another attack of the "ands". In the defense of all of Protestantism, more and more Protestants are abandoning Luther's teachings (especially when they hear about how much he loved Mary and of how he defended The Catholic Church even "after" he rebeled against it). |
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Post by knuckle on Jun 29, 2008 14:46:48 GMT -5
hi Guys and Gals--------------
The altar is never closed as Christ is the altar the sacrifice and the high priest and one need never step into a church or say the sinners prayer or be baptized to come to this Altar
As for Satan,he was never born of water(born of woman) and like the angels who marvel the salvation of man is not for him
as for the law bro--Christ did indeed fulfill it so it is kept in our heart not in tablets of stone or in regards to days or meats or drinks---Christ offered us the law of liberty the light yoke of which there are only two commandments----Love God and Love each other ,the law and the prophets hang upon it and all good works are born from it
much love-----------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2008 17:16:07 GMT -5
Interesting points. But isn't Jesus the offering for sin? Not the altar itself? And isn't the offering more important than the altar as it is the offering that makes the altar holy?
I believe that Jesus is The Gift that makes The Altar holy...not the altar itself.
Ah, but they were never actually born in the first place, so they could never be born again. They were created by God directly. The Doctrine of being born again only applies to those who were born in the first place...humans.
Pax.
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