Grace

[righteousone]

Knuckle, I would not pick up a Koran if you paid me. Islam is a religion sent from Satan. Islam is in a fight to the death with Christianity, and to be in denial of that is not good. Islam is NOT of Christ, therefore, I have no desire to know anything about it.
The Blessed Mother said eventually "even the Muslim will convert to the Catholic faith".

[knuckle]

I agree R1

but we have to know what these folks believe if we are going to help them.Islam is taking over in america's prisons because it teaches a doctrine of works, it puts the idea in a mans head that he can be his own savior and gives a false sense of power to those who crave it.If you believe what you have written that "even the Muslim will convert to the Catholic faith" don't you see it as an obligation to bring it about?And if so doesn't it make sense to understand them?

much love-------------knuckle

[teresahrc]

but knuckle, if you are a universalist, then really it doesn't matter what anyone believes. If everyone is on their way to heaven, then shouldn't you leave them alone?

The reason that "even the Muslim will convert to the Catholic faith" is because one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. THat doesn't mean they will all be in heaven. Even people is hell have to confess that Jesus is Lord. Even demons knew who Jesus was when He walked on earth.

Righteous one;
Can you tell me more about when the Blessed Mother said that? I'm very interested because part of my life calling is to Muslims.

teresa

[knuckle]

Teresa-----------

Because I believe that the final outcome of God's plan 'to have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth" is assuredly going to happen,that in no way exempts me from the great commission nor do I want to see my fellow man who I am to love suffer the consequences of leaving this life with out knowing Jesus-----the UR doctrine is not a get into heaven free card All men are going to have to repent and Come to Christ but a man reaps what he sows --- the reason I posted the power of the born again experience because part of that is the realization that we hurt the one(Jesus) who loves us most---this is a painful thing to come to grips with, it is a soul shattering experience in the flesh but it is brief, in the millennium the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth will last a thousand years ---I don't want anyone to go through that not even the monsters of humanity

much love-----------knuckle

[righteousone]

Knuckle, we cannot "hurt" Jesus but only offend Him. Jesus already suffered pain and humiliation beyond belief, this you know, He cannot suffer anymore. He already died. What happens is Jesus must feel offended with the outcome of the world he created.
I am not he so I really can't answer this and neither can you, but from studies and such, Jesus is offended, he doesn't feel pain.

[righteousone]

Teresa,

The Blessed Mother told I believe Sister Agnes at Akita, Japan in the 1970's. It is all in the book "Thunder of Justice", a very powerful book.

I didn't know you were Muslim.

[righteousone]

Jul 22, 2008 10:15:58 GMT -5 knuckle said:

I agree R1

but we have to know what these folks believe if we are going to help them.Islam is taking over in america's prisons because it teaches a doctrine of works, it puts the idea in a mans head that he can be his own savior and gives a false sense of power to those who crave it.If you believe what you have written that "even the Muslim will convert to the Catholic faith" don't you see it as an obligation to bring it about?And if so doesn't it make sense to understand them?

much love-------------knuckle

Knuckle, we cannot help these people, get a grip on reality here. Only God can do this and it will be done...every knee will bend. Stop wasting your time on things that are not of Christ and focus more on him.

[righteousone]

One more thing Knuckle, the Muslim will never surpass Christianity, especially the Catholic faith which Jesus founded. No matter what you hear, it will never be done.

[knuckle]

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

I am not interested in numbers R1 it is the individual that interests me If I through my failing grip on reality can bring one lost soul to Christ I will not have wasted my time

much love----------knuckle

[teresahrc]

I didn't know you were Muslim.

Where did you come up with that one?

I'm not Muslim...my calling to Muslims is to pray for their conversion and evangelize them. Kind of the opposite of a Muslim eh?

Teresa

[righteousone]

Knuckle, perhaps you have illusions of grandeur, perhaps not in trying to convert a Muslim. It ain't gonna happen. Don't you understand this? God will call them to convert in time.
I know a few who have converted, but they did it on their own. Like I say, stop wasting your time.

[righteousone]

Jul 22, 2008 17:15:32 GMT -5 @teresahrc said:

I didn't know you were Muslim.

Where did you come up with that one?

I'm not Muslim...my calling to Muslims is to pray for their conversion and evangelize them. Kind of the opposite of a Muslim eh?

Teresa

You cannot evangelize a Muslim. Are you an Evangelical Christian? You remind me of one going over to the Middle East to try and talk about Jesus, only to later be killed and left for dead because that is what is happening there and other countries. These people will not listen to you, especially if you go around preaching.
Why do you think so many Catholics and Catholic priests are being murdered in Turkey, Africa, and the Middle East? Because they are of Christ and Christ is hated by many.
Look to your own soul and stop worrying about others, God will show them the way.

[knuckle]

Matthew 25

[teresahrc]

You cannot evangelize a Muslim. Are you an Evangelical Christian? You remind me of one going over to the Middle East to try and talk about Jesus, only to later be killed and left for dead because that is what is happening there and other countries. These people will not listen to you, especially if you go around preaching.
Why do you think so many Catholics and Catholic priests are being murdered in Turkey, Africa, and the Middle East? Because they are of Christ and Christ is hated by many.
Look to your own soul and stop worrying about others, God will show them the way.

I'm Catholic! And I've been to turkey and evangelized there (And look, I'm alive!)
St.Dominic put a sword in my heart for the Muslims, and dare I take it out?

Since when did martyrdom become a shameful thing? If I go there and they kill me, then glory to God, I can't wait!

Whether people listen or not is not my problem. The primary purpose of the Church is missional. It's not so much about them--I don't know them--it's about God and His glory and His kingdom. It's about being God's servant in life or death. If you don't want to go, that's fine. Not everyone should.
They CAN be reached though because God wants it. Because no false religion is more powerful than the gospel of Jesus. Because of His sorrowful passion, and the blood that He shed for ALL.

The Catholic Church is going to experience a revival in her great missionary zeal that She has always had. From St. Paul to St. Thomas and St. Patrick, to the great conversion of the new world.

You are right that nothing we do will reach them. No, it is God working in us that reaches them. His power is made perfect in weakness.

We are the body of Christ, so how else is His work going to be accomplished? Yes, the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirity dwells in the Church! If Muslims are having dreams and visions, I can promise you it is only because the Church was praying!

So keep praying and why give up the battle so early? The calvary has yet to arrive and you surrender?
teresa

[knuckle]

[teresahrc]

Why is it that Protestants accept that Grace came to us through the Incarnation, and accept certain sacramentals in the Bible (ie Peter's handkerchief) as imparting grace, but now it's like everything is SPIRITUAL ONLY. It's like there is suddenly nothing physical on the earth that can impart grace. What is the word for that?

teresa

[doxology]

Grace is nothing short of God's omnipotent will bringing about its designs. Grace always effects what it is given for, and is never frustrated, because God's designs cannot be frustrated, ... and to say that they can would be as to give hope to the devil, that his rebellion might succeed.