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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 3, 2008 15:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 3, 2008 15:34:19 GMT -5
And a little more context,
Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews are entrusted with the oracles of God. What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every man be false, as it is written, "That thou mayest be justified in thy words, and prevail when thou art judged."
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Post by Cepha on Apr 4, 2008 9:40:52 GMT -5
Too easy IMA...
Romans 2: 9. And tribulation and punishment, to every human being that performs evil, to the Jews and the Aramaeans first, 10. Glory, however, and honor and peace, to every one who performs good deeds, to the Jews and Aramaeans first. 11. For there is no hypocrisy with God. 12. For those who sinned without having the Law, went to oblivion also without the Law. And those who sinned by the Law, shall be judged according to the Law. 13. For it was not the observers* of the Law who stand righteous before God, except the performers of the Law , they are that shall be blessed 14. For if the nations that have no Law, created a Law for themselves, then they that had no Law became Law onto themselves. 15. And they showed the result of the Law as it was written upon their heart, and their conscience shall testify over them, while their intentions are found self-serving or the revelation of Spirit to each other, 16. On the day God shall judge the hidden acts of humanity, according to my Gospel, by the hand of Jesus Christ. 17. If, however, you call yourself of the Jews, and you find comfort in the Law, 18. And you take pride in that you know God's will, and you choose one of the ministries that you have learned from the Law, 19. And you depend on yourself that you are the leader of the blind and the light of those who are in the dark, 20. And the guide of the poor in judgment and the teacher of children, and you have the appearance of [someone who has] knowledge of truth in the Land, 21. Such that you therefore teach others, but you do not teach yourself?* And you preach that they should not steal, yet you steal yourself? 22. And you say that they should not fornicate, and yet you fornicate yourself? And you who tear down idols, you will save the temple*? 23. And you that pride yourself by the Law, [surely] through your transgression of the Law, are you not cursing God? 24. For the name of God is blasphemed because of you by the nations, as it is written.
25. Circumcision* is a blessing* if the Law is cultivated. If you, however, transgress the Law, circumcision becomes exclusionary. 26. If that [person] whom is excluded* [from the covenant,] observes the commandment of the Law, is not that exclusion then more like circumcision? 27. And that exclusivism* that nurtured the Law from its own character, will judge you, with your Scripture and circumcision, who transgressed the Law. 28. For neither is someone a Jew, who shows himself to be such, nor is that which is seen in the flesh, circumcision. 29. Except a Jew is someone who is secretly so, and circumcision is thus of the heart, in Spirit and not by the Book, since its glory is not from human beings, except from God.
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 9, 2008 10:36:22 GMT -5
Emily?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 9, 2008 10:38:44 GMT -5
Yes?
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 10, 2008 23:19:38 GMT -5
you were the one using this verse in another thread (i forgot which :-p)... so, go ahead.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2008 8:03:01 GMT -5
What do you want me to say about it?
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Post by I.M.Apologetics on Apr 11, 2008 23:20:07 GMT -5
I don't know. You were using that verse in defense of everything you said.. I think it was dealing with the Church Fathers maybe...?
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 12, 2008 7:45:42 GMT -5
I don't remember. I use it exactly as it says
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