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Post by teresahrc on Jul 6, 2008 17:29:17 GMT -5
Christians can't be anti-Semitic because God is Jewish.
Jesus is God, Jesus is Jewish, therefore God is Jewish.
Also, isn't it true that even today, someone is considered Jewish if their Mother is Jewish? Jesus' mother is Mary, and Mary is Jewish.
What's sad to me is that very few Christians study their roots in Judaism or have any clue about the culture of 1st Cent. Israel.
Teresa
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Post by yarddog on Jul 13, 2008 13:54:56 GMT -5
Christians can't be anti-Semitic because God is Jewish. What was God before the 1st Jew? People are Jew, Greek, Egyptian, British, Muslim, Christian, etc... God is God. If Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, being eternal, what was he before he was born? What did Paul mean when he said: Galatians 3 26 For through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendant, heirs according to the promise. I find it sad that people blame the Jew for Christ's death, for it was ordained that there could be no other people to offer the sacrifice. The Jews were and are far from perfect but we can say the same about us today. The Jews also produced many great men and women of God. Let us celebrate them. God Bless, Yarddog |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 13, 2008 17:37:28 GMT -5
Yes, we are all equal in Christ. There is no "Jew or Greek,... male or female..." etc in Christ. That refers to the equality in Christ. Women don't cease to be women when they are Christians, neither do Greeks cease to be Greeks or Jews cease to be Jews.
The reason I say "God is Jewish" is because my belief in the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, who is both fully God and full man--a man that was and still is Jewish, and so is Mary, the Apostles and many many saints. Judaism wan't "cancelled" when Jesus came, but was fulfilled, and those who are Gentiles have been "grafted in" to that same faith which is fulfilled in Jesus.
teresa
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Post by yarddog on Jul 13, 2008 22:08:39 GMT -5
The reason I say "God is Jewish" is because my belief in the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, who is both fully God and full man--a man that was and still is Jewish, and so is Mary, the Apostles and many many saints. Judaism wan't "cancelled" when Jesus came, but was fulfilled, and those who are Gentiles have been "grafted in" to that same faith which is fulfilled in Jesus. teresa I believe in the Holy Trinity as well but believe that it a mistake to God as Jewish. God transcends all forms of religion. Yes, Jesus, the Word, became man and a Jew but that doesn't mean all parts of the Trinity are Jewish. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God to all mankind. Yarddog |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 23, 2008 12:43:10 GMT -5
God is one. Romans 9 1I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Christ is God over all. Christ is Jewish.
Teresa
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Post by yarddog on Jul 23, 2008 14:00:46 GMT -5
God is one. Romans 9 1I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Christ is God over all. Christ is Jewish.
Teresa
Hello Teresa, May I ask something? What Bible translation do you use and do you believe in the Trinity? Yarddog |
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Post by yarddog on Jul 23, 2008 16:11:17 GMT -5
Hello Teresa,
In reading another thread I saw that you are Catholic, so I also know that you believe in the Trinity. I wasn't for because of the way you answered.
Jesus being born a Jew doesn't mean that the whole trinity is Jewish. Neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit would be Jewish.
Also the verses you give are translated much differently in several Bibles.
Here are some for Romans 9 Verse 5.
NAB (which is also the only text used for Mass in the US)
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theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all be blessed forever. Amen.
Notice how the period makes a big difference over the text you provided.
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
The Douay-Rheims Bible
Whose are the fathers and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.
RSV
to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.
KJV
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
I'm not sure if I misunderstood what you were trying to say but Jesus was a Jew, and he is God the Son but God the Father and the Holy Spirit are not Jewish.
Yarddog
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 23, 2008 16:49:48 GMT -5
Yarddog,
Yes, I absolutely believe in the Trinity. But also understand that God is completely ONE. Therefore the Church teaches that when we partake of the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar, we receive ALL of Christ who is ALL God.
I know that the 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are distinct yet they are also One. I'm not a Montanist by any means. I'm just saying that we can't separate the Divinity of Christ from His Humanity, as the Nestorians and as some Protestants do though they are unaware of it.
Is Mary the mother of God, or only the "human part" of Christ? It is the same argument. Mary, according to the council of Chalcedon, is the Theotokos, the God-bearer, the Mother not just of the "humanity" of Christ, but of His whole person, who is wholly God.
Therefore, God is Jewish.
I rest my case again.
teresa
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Post by yarddog on Jul 23, 2008 22:26:47 GMT -5
Yarddog, Yes, I absolutely believe in the Trinity. But also understand that God is completely ONE. Therefore the Church teaches that when we partake of the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar, we receive ALL of Christ who is ALL God. I know that the 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are distinct yet they are also One. I'm not a Montanist by any means. I'm just saying that we can't separate the Divinity of Christ from His Humanity, as the Nestorians and as some Protestants do though they are unaware of it. Is Mary the mother of God, or only the "human part" of Christ? It is the same argument. Mary, according to the council of Chalcedon, is the Theotokos, the God-bearer, the Mother not just of the "humanity" of Christ, but of His whole person, who is wholly God. Therefore, God is Jewish. I rest my case again. teresa |
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Post by yarddog on Jul 23, 2008 22:34:59 GMT -5
Hello Teresa,
Though, I agree that we can't separate the human and divine natures of Christ now, Christ was before he was man. Jesus is eternal but human for 2000 years. Israelites and their ancestors were not always Jews.
God the Father and the Holy Spirit are eternal Spirit and have never been Jewish.
The Word of God became man and Jewish to fulfill the Law, basically because man could not.
Being Jewish was not the point.
Yarddog
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 24, 2008 6:24:20 GMT -5
Never said it was the point. I'm just making A point.
Jesus is "eternally begotten" of the Father.
Scripture says that
Rev. 13
8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
If the Lamb was slain "from the creation of the world", then how is Jesus only 2000 years old?
Does not the CHurch teach that we participate in the same Sacrifice in the Eucharist?
When was the creation of the world? If He was slain from the creation of the world, then surely He was around BEFORE the creation of the world.
God is outside of time.
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jul 27, 2008 21:58:07 GMT -5
Jesus was 1/2 Jew and 1/2 Divine. His Divine nature had no racial/ethnic/religious properties. His physical nature did by virtue of The Blessed Mother's physical/ethnic/religious background.  |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 27, 2008 21:59:54 GMT -5
Christians can't be anti-Semitic because God is Jewish. Jesus is God, Jesus is Jewish, therefore God is Jewish. Also, isn't it true that even today, someone is considered Jewish if their Mother is Jewish? Jesus' mother is Mary, and Mary is Jewish. What's sad to me is that very few Christians study their roots in Judaism or have any clue about the culture of 1st Cent. Israel. Teresa I'd take it a step further. Christians "can't" be anti-Semetic because we aren't supposed to be "anti-" anything. Catholicism's practices for example are heavily influenced by Judaism (feast of unleavened bread, sacrifice cleansing sins, confession, Priesthood, etc...). |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 9:05:44 GMT -5
Cepha!? You are SOOOOOO wrong brother!!
Lest you forget Chacedon, I will remind you that Jesus is not 50% Jew 50% Divine, that is so heretical, (ooh I feel a debate coming oh yeah)
NO He is 100% Divine 100% Jew!!!
Be right back to prove it!
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 9:15:05 GMT -5
LOL! No need to prove it, you are 100% correct. I agree with you! But, His being fully man and fully God at the same time makes Him both in His entitity on earth. Neither of us is wrong. both statements are correct! Yes, He was fully Divine as God (100%) and fully Man (100%). But, because He was both, He wasn't one more than the other. Therefore, He was (by virtue of His Mother) Jewish (1/2) and (by virtue of His Father) Divine (1/2). I'm talking about his bodily incarnation now. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 13:12:54 GMT -5
So are you saying that God gave physical chromosomes as a Father? Or are Jesus' chromosomes fully from Mary?
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 14:16:14 GMT -5
So are you saying that God gave physical chromosomes as a Father? Or are Jesus' chromosomes fully from Mary? teresa All of Jesus' genetic make-up comes exclusively from one human being...Mary. No man contributed to His procreation and He was not created (as were Adam & Eve). The blood He spilled for us came from Mary. The Holy Spirit overtook Mary (not The Holy Body). |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 15:29:36 GMT -5
I agree. That is why I say "God is Jewish". Because Jesus is a COMPLETE union of God and Humanity. After He was "conceived by the Holy Spirit" you cannot separate His divinity from His humanity.
teresa
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Post by teresahrc on Sept 15, 2008 11:47:55 GMT -5
To say "God is Jewish" is almost the same as saying "Mary is the Mother of God".
teresa
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