Obama...

[Cepha]

Oct 29, 2008 21:40:12 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

Oct 29, 2008 11:30:37 GMT -5 Cepha said:

Sooo... You don't think Saddam was trying to get Weapons of Mass Distruction. Please! When that retard in North Korea gets the bomb it must have really burned Saddam that he was having trouble getting one.

It was literally already proven that he wasn't.
He had trouble keeping the the lights on in his country.
Fact is, Saddam was successfully contained. Period.

As for a corrupt cabinent, I don't think it was really corrupt.

Let's compare to what you don't think to what actually is/was:

Let's preface this with the fact that every single member of his cabinet has either been indicted or has been forced to resign or have resigned on their own in opposition of President Bush.

Here are just the top 25:
The 25 Most Corrupt Members of the Bush Administration are:

Claude Allen, White House

Eric Andell, U.S. Department of Education

Margaret Burnette, Food and Drug Administration

Lester Crawford, Food and Drug Administration

Lurita Doan, General Services Administration

Brian Doyle, U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Darleen Druyun, U.S. Air Force

Frank Figueroa, U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, Central Intelligence Agency

J. Steven Griles, U.S. Department of the Interior

Andrea Grimsley, U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Donald Keyser, U.S. Department of State

John Korsmo, Federal Housing Finance Board

Kevin Marlowe, U.S. Department of Defense

Jose Miranda, Broadcasting Board of Governors

William Myers, U.S. Department of Interior

Janet Rehnquist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

David Safavian, White House and General Services Administration

Robert Schofield, U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Thomas Scully, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

David Smith, Department of Interior

Jeffrey Stayton, U.S. Department of the Army

Robert Stein, Coalition Provisional Authority

Roger Stillwell, U.S. Department of the Interior

Kenneth Tomlinson, Corporation for Public Broadcasting

citizensforethics.org/node/27182

The Bush Administration is known as the most corrupt in American History.

Rumsfeld should have been fired about 2 years earlier, but thats about it. I mean do you have any trouble with any other secretary in the cabinent?

Rummy...the scapegoat. Fact is, it was pretty much all of them (again, see list above).

But there's more...

Let's review Bush's impact since 2000 at home and abroad, in no particular order:

1. Lied about WMD.
2. Unilaterally invaded a sovereign nation without provocation and justification.
3. Lied during State of the Union speech re: Niger Uranium.
4. Responsible for pre-9/11 intelligence failures in White House, CIA, FBI.
5. Allowed 9-11 murderers to remain free while diverting precious military and financial resources to his vanity war in Iraq.
6. Lied about Saddam/bin Laden connection.
7. Turned Iraq into a terrorist breeding ground.
8. Lied about nation-building.
9. Opposed creation of 9-11 Commission and Homeland Security Department.
10. Disrespected and alienated the U.S. from French, German and other key allies.
11. Lied to Americans about the real cost of war.
12. Fostered an environment of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
13. Lined Halliburton's pockets in Afghanistan and Iraq with fat no-bid contracts.
14. Under-manned and under-equipped our armed forces in Iraq, resulting in unnecessary death and injuries.
15. Ignored the nuclear build-up in both Iran and N.Korea; marginalized Kim Jong Il.
16. Shunned Kyoto Treaty.
17. Lied about effects of man-made pollutants on the environment to support corporate pals.
18. Lied about the insolvency of Social Security.
19. Gave huge cuts to the wealthiest taxpayers.
20. Lied about true cost of health care bill.
21. Lied about Free Trade stand.
22. Bitterly divided the nation along religious, party and sexual preference lines.
23. Guilty of numerous cronyism appointments (Homeland Security, Supreme Court, etc)
24. Rewarded failures of Condi Rice and other cronies with key promotions.
25. Dreadful energy policies lead to record gas and oil prices.
26. Responsible for the largest debt in U.S. history.
27. Colossal failure of preparedness, rescue and relief during Hurricane Katrina.
28. Fostered a culture of corruption among GOP and top leadership (Tom Delay, etc).
29. Allowed Donald Rumsfeld to keep job despite utter failure in Iraq.
30. Presided over the U.S.'s lowest popularity throughout the world.
31. Saw No Child Left Behind fail.
32. Lied last week about Iraqi troop strength during Saturday radio address. Directly contradicted by testimony given earlier in the week by Gen. Abizaid.

ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2005/10/list-of-bushs-lies-and-policy-failures.html

That and after we over took the country the terrorists showed up. Better killing them in Iraq than fighting them in the US.

Actually, what we did was immoral. We took our fight to an innocent country's backyard so that our people wouldn't suffer.

Fact is, if we had just focused on Afghanistan (a "just" war) and wiped them out over there, not only would they have never had gone to Iraq in the first place and destroyed lives there, but they would've never had flourished as they have.

Remember, under Bush and his failed tactics, terrorist groups exploded. Nobody was against us when we went to go handle our business in Afghanistan, but we then lost the world's support when we went into Iraq (remember, not only did they not attack us ever, but they had nothing to do with 9/11 and in fact, Osama hated Saddam).

In fact, Saddam offered sympathy for those killed in the 9/11 attacks.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/22/iraq.afghanistan


And our President lied about him and about his capabilities and unjustly attacked Iraq. Why? Because his "daddy" failed at getting the job done right the first time when we had a reason to go in there. He tried to clean up daddy's mess and ended up making a bigger mess following in the tradition of Bushes as failures in government (shoot! he wrecked Texas and left it in shambles...whatever made people think that he could be trusted with an entire country when he couldn't even run a state? Duh?).

Well, those that voted for him got what they deserved...their children and husbands and wives are dieing in Iraq now. That's what they get for supporting a lier like Bush. And that's what we get as a country for putting him in power the 2nd time.

What was it that Bush said?

[Cepha]

Oct 29, 2008 23:48:28 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

Amen! And there has not been another attack on us soil since. We must be doing something right!

Really?

What do you call our getting raped by the oil companies?

It's called economic terrorism.
Are you really believing that we haven't been attacked?
CC, we got lured into a war where we lost over 4,000 of the best our country had to offer (more than the 9/11 attack ever accomplished) and we maimed about 25,000 of our best citizens.

We're borrowing money from China and Venezuela and Mexico.

With all due respect Marcie, open your eyes.

We're not doing anything right.

These economic attacks have crippled us.
The world is punishing us for what we did to Iraq and guess who's having record SURPLUSES while we're having record DEFICITS?

Iraq!

The country we attacked is now more prosperous than we are!

Do the math.

It's only been 7 years since we got attacked. Before that, it was 10 years when Clinton was President (and they failed then, but succeeded under Bush as bringing down the Towers in MY backyard).

Is that how you judge success? By our not getting attacked?
Then you're going to have to wait another 3 years before you can state that with any relative reference point. We have to make it to 11 years, then we can brag about it.

But don't worry, if Obama gets in, we'll do what Bush couldn't do and what McCain for all his bragging and boasting about his heroism didn't do since 9/11 while he was a sitting Senator...we'll do what Clinton did when they attacked us back during his Presidency, we'll blow them back into the stone age and will slap them down.

Right now, Osama is laughing at us as he chills.

Remember, McCain hadn't done anything to stop Osama.
And it was Senator Barack Obama who actually introduced and sponsored legislation to keep Nukes out of the hands of terrorists. Just look at their records.

[redsoxfan]

Oct 30, 2008 9:50:31 GMT -5 Cepha said:

Oct 29, 2008 21:40:12 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

RSF: WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY POSTED THIS, YOU DOUBLE QUOTED YOURSELF. I COULDN'T FIX IT SO I JUST RESPONDED TO YOUR QUOTES MY RESPONSE...THEIR THE SAME QUOTES FROM HERE.

[Cepha]

Oct 30, 2008 22:43:22 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

Oct 30, 2008 9:50:31 GMT -5 Cepha said:

Oct 29, 2008 21:40:12 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

Oct 30, 2008 9:50:31 GMT -5 Cepha said:

Oct 29, 2008 21:40:12 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

(IMPOSSIBLE! That can't be proven, and never was. )

Not only was it true, it's still true...Iraq still has problems with their electrical grid.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/post_saddam_iraq/html/1.stm

(So what did Janet Rhenquist do? Was Kenneth Tomlinson a major disaster? Please Cepha the lack of quality in your arguements is making me cry. )

NO ONE EPITOMIZES THE politicization of Bush's inspectors general more than Janet Rehnquist. The chief justice's daughter, who served as a former White House counsel to Bush's father, was named IG of the Department of Health and Human Services in 2001. She quickly eviscerated her own investigative staff, lightened penalties for fraudulent Medicare contractors and doled out political favors to the Bush clan. In 2002, in direct response to a request by Jeb Bush's chief of staff in Florida, Rehnquist postponed an embarrassing audit of the state's pension system until after Jeb's re-election.

Rehnquist eventually resigned under a cloud: The Government Accountability Office rebuked her for having "compromised" the independence of her post. But her acting successor, Dara Corrigan, soon became an accessory to one of the greatest taxpayer heists of all time, ignoring a congressional demand to investigate whether the White House had lied to Congress about the true costs of the Medicare prescription-drug bill. And Rehnquist's permanent replacement, Daniel Levinson, had no prior experience as an auditor, having proved his mettle for the job by serving as chief of staff to Rep. Bob Barr, the Republican ringleader of the Clinton impeachment. "Bush has disregarded the requirement of the law to make these people non- partisan investigators with the background to do the work," says Waxman.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17138667/bushs_lap_dogs

History will restore Bush.

You mean like he tried to do for Daddy and failed?
I don't think so...Bush Jr. only has two daughters and I'm pretty sure their not going to run for President. LOL

That and after we over took the country the terrorists showed up. Better killing them in Iraq than fighting them in the US.

No, better smashing them in Afghanistan when we had the chance and the world's cooperation and support than attacking an innocent country that did nothing to The United States to depose a Dictator we supported, armed and built up in the first place AGAINST Afghanistan.

(unless you understand the doctors of the Church such as St. Augistine and St. Thomas Aquinas.)

I guess then, according to your logic, you have better "understanding" of their works than The Pope himself?

Why then is he the one wearing the Miter?

(Bush went to support with the full support of Congress and the american people. I don't really care what foriegners think about america. Much of the world has a napolean complex. I never said Saddam had a connection to Osama. But in fact Al Quida moved a large number of fighters to Iraq (where they lost), and Saddam was well connected with the PLO.)

I supported Bush when he lied to us and misled us and produced false "proof" of the WMD's. Why? Because I am a good and patriotic citizen, but when it was exposed that he lied to us, then, in line with my patriotism, I stopped supporting him because my country comes before any blind love for a leader.

Al Queda actually "recruited" in Iraq and used the illegal occupation and illegal war and against that sovereign nation to do so. In other words, they used our actions (not in Afghanistan for that was justifiable) as a recruitment tool. Bush's illegal and dishonest actions totally diminished our credibility.

And you think we beat them?

Dude, we're still there.

This is the longest most expensive war in our history.
We didn't beat anybody but ourselves and lost a lot of great men and women for nothing...for Bush's lies and for his need for vengeance for his Daddy's failed war.

We beat them? Today Al Quaeda is bigger than ever. Before Iraq, they were on the run. After Iraq?

Well, they used Iraq (not only as a recruitment tool) as a training base for the attacks their going to launch here.

Think about it...why do you think they were attacking the green zone so much, supposedly the safest place "in" Iraq? Because they were practicing for what their going to do when they come here. They don't give a Hooey about Iraq.

We literally gave them a golden opportunity to train their soldiers, to recruit more men and to practice their tactics while we left the Homeland with less than 1/2 of our military. They literally have us by the elbows right now. They played us like a fiddle.

Now, our military is pretty much depleted and exhausted and stretched beyond capacity. Why? Because Bush lied.

Not that they'll ever beat us, but (in the words of John McCain) "my friend", we're in serious trouble right now. They're going to attack us here. That's what they've been gearing up to do.

When you get stung by a hornet, you don't walk to the nest and beat it with a stick and stand there. You spray it from afar, from a safe distance and stay where you can be protected until they all die (which is what we were supposed to do in Afghanistan).

Let me tell you this, Obama (if elected) is going to UNLEASH our military on Bin Ladin & Al Quaeda. He's already said it...priority #1 will be eliminating the source of the nutjobs (not allowing them to flourish like the Republicans have). He's already told the Generals that when he becomes President, they will have free reign to do whatever it takes to get Bin Ladin & his crew. First stop? Pakistan (a place McCain doesn't want to attack because of our "interests" there, he just like Bush wants to go to another place besides Pakistan...Iran; another country that didn't attack us).

4 more days...4 more days...4 more days...

(Daddy didn't get the job done, blah blah blah. Do you even think for yourself anymore?)

So, first I'm criticized for thinking for myself too much (being a Republican who disagrees with some of our policies), then for "not" thinking for myself?

Ok now, step away from the mouse.
Inhale, hold, exhale.

LOL!

(If they got what they deserved, I dread to think what America will get by electing an Abortion supporter to the Presidency.)

The only one who literally said that they support abortion was McCain! Wow! Better get a bandaid for that hole you shot in your foot! LOL! Obama is anti-abortion! McCain said he believes in abortion in certain cases (Obama never said he believes in abortions!)!

LMBO!

[redsoxfan]

If you believe obama is anti-abortion I have one thing to say. LAY OFF THE CRACK!

[Cepha]

Oct 31, 2008 17:11:24 GMT -5 redsoxfan said:

If you believe obama is anti-abortion I have one thing to say. LAY OFF THE CRACK!

A) He said it.
B) Are you saying that Obama is "Pro" Abortion? That he actively wants people to have abortions? Is that what you're saying? LOL!

[cradlecathlic27]

Here are some facts on obama

Supporting Stem Cell Research:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that we owe it to the American public to explore the potential of stem cells to treat the millions of people suffering from debilitating and life-threatening diseases. Obama is a co-sponsor of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007, which would allow research of human embryonic stem cells derived from embryos donated (with consent) from in vitro fertilization clinics. These embryos must be deemed in excess and created based solely for the purpose of fertility treatment.


REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE
Supports a Woman's Right to Choose:
Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

my.barackobama.com/page/content/womenissues

[Cepha]

Nov 4, 2008 1:00:45 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

Here are some facts on obama

Supporting Stem Cell Research:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that we owe it to the American public to explore the potential of stem cells to treat the millions of people suffering from debilitating and life-threatening diseases. Obama is a co-sponsor of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007, which would allow research of human embryonic stem cells derived from embryos donated (with consent) from in vitro fertilization clinics. These embryos must be deemed in excess and created based solely for the purpose of fertility treatment.

John McCain still supports embryonic stem cell research
1/25/2008
Catholic News Agency (www.catholicnewsagency.com)

www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=26574

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE
Supports a Woman's Right to Choose:
Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

my.barackobama.com/page/content/womenissues

Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape
McCain was asked whether he would reinstate the Reagan era rule that prevents international family planning clinics that receive federal funds from discussing abortion. “I don’t believe they should advocate abortion with my tax dollars,” McCain said, adding that he opposed abortion except in cases of rape and incest. He was then asked how he would determine whether someone had in fact been raped. McCain responded, “I think that I would give the benefit of the doubt to the person who alleges that.”
Source: New York Times, p. A17 Jan 25, 2000

Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity
McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson’s disease. McCain concluded that abortion rights and anti-abortion activists should cooperate on issues of foster care and adoption. He had made his decision on abortion, he said, “after a lot of study, consultation, and a lot of prayer.” He added, “I’d like to have less intensity on this issue.”
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000

Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.

Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it
McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” A spokesman said that McCain “has a 17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”

Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding
McCain supports the following statements:
Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
Prohibit public funding of abortions and public funding of organizations that advocate or perform abortions.


Voted YES on allowing partial birth abortions.
This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion.
Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3

www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm

And you agree with that CC?

[cradlecathlic27]

No i dont agree with that at all! But im not gunna let that change my vote. Obama is ALL FOR ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS,MARRIAGE, AND SPREADING THE WEALTH. Im not voting for that.

[cradlecathlic27]

Please listen to it all

[cradlecathlic27]

Sorry about the language but this is what we are dealing with...

[cradlecathlic27]

CONGRATS because of the folks like above!

[Cepha]

Nov 4, 2008 15:27:59 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

No i dont agree with that at all! But im not gunna let that change my vote. Obama is ALL FOR ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS,MARRIAGE, AND SPREADING THE WEALTH. Im not voting for that.

Jesus was for spreading the wealth too...are you against Him too?

And, if you're saying that by voting for Obama one is voting for abortion and gay marriage rights, then you are voting for racism and for unjust wars and for corruption and for Anti-Catholicism and for abortions in certain cases because McCain is for all those things.

Again, remember what The Catholic Church teaches...you don't have to agree with everything a candidate believes in to vote for them.

And remember who it is that lines up more with The Catholic Church's teachings on the issues besides abortion and who is against the Catholic Church on those issues...Hint: Obama is "with" The Catholic Church on those issues.

[Cepha]

Nov 4, 2008 22:59:32 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

CONGRATS because of the folks like above!

Actually, more of "folks like" these were the ones that gave Obama the Presidency and who rejected John McCain:


See that? The fact is that while you want to blame one group of people for Obama being elected, you fail to recognize that over 52 Million people voted for him. There are only 14 Million registered black voters. 10 % of them didn't vote for Obama so that brings the number down to about 12 Million and change.

Do you know what that means?

That 40 Million WHITES voted for Obama.

Or that black voters only made up just over 1/5 of his support.

Accept it, White America legally elected a Black President.

So let's see you post videos of White, Middle Class, College Educated people and let's see you stop focusing on the mintorities of his voters. Focus on the majority of Obama voters.

[Cepha]

Barack...Akbar!


Barack...Akbar!


Barack...Akbar!

[teresahrc]

What Cepha?!

Anyway,
Congrats to Obama and most especially,

Congrats to Gov. Joe Manchin, the ever-awesome, Italian American, Roman Catholic, PRO LIFE DEMOCRAT, who just won a second term!(for Gov. of West Virginia)

I guess I better start headin down to the coal mines lookin for a job though. WIth all this talk about "clean coal" West Virginia's "Beverly Hillbillies" fantasy may soon be a tragic nightmare.

My relative, Margaret Workman, lost her campaign for State Supreme court! (I didn't vote for her--how sad is that?)

teresa

[cradlecathlic27]

MLK

[alfie]

Nov 5, 2008 11:24:03 GMT -5 Cepha said:

Nov 4, 2008 22:59:32 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

CONGRATS because of the folks like above!

Actually, more of "folks like" these were the ones that gave Obama the Presidency and who rejected John McCain:


See that? The fact is that while you want to blame one group of people for Obama being elected, you fail to recognize that over 52 Million people voted for him. There are only 14 Million registered black voters. 10 % of them didn't vote for Obama so that brings the number down to about 12 Million and change.

Do you know what that means?

That 40 Million WHITES voted for Obama.

Or that black voters only made up just over 1/5 of his support.

Accept it, White America legally elected a Black President.

So let's see you post videos of White, Middle Class, College Educated people and let's see you stop focusing on the mintorities of his voters. Focus on the majority of Obama voters.

The only white people I know who voted for Obama are either alcoholics, drug addicts, homosexuals, pornagraphy addicts, fornicators, adulters, anti-American, into the occult and hate Jesus.

[cradlecathlic27]

Hey, i know that 95%of black americans that voted, voted for Obama. But did any of yall happen to see MR. Rev Wright right up front at his speech?!?!?!? YEAH, him and Oprah! Radicals

[alfie]

I am a Christian and I know now that we are living in the end times. I will never accept Obama. Right now God is allowing a "strong delusion" to flow across our nation and around the world. It says in Isaiah 66:4, of the Bible that I (God) will choose their delusions." This thing with Obama has happened for a reason. That reason is to deceive the world. In (Daniel 2:21) it says God removes kings and establishes kings for His own purposes. The purpose for Obama is to lead all the nations into a one world government. After that the anti-Christ will appear.

Newsweek magazine had a headline recently titled, "The World Hopes for its First President." Newsweek states, "In country after country, polls show a record-high fascination with Obama and the outcome of the U.S. elections." Obama is perfect for this because he is a man of color. The world would never accept a white man becoming the leader of the entire world. The majority of people in this world are not white

Also Obama has ties to both Islam and Christianity and that will help unify the world under one religion.