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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 8:57:19 GMT -5
Pros/Cons for/against President?
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 13:41:17 GMT -5
He's not against killing unborn children. Definitely a con.
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Post by Cepha on Jul 28, 2008 14:26:12 GMT -5
He's not against killing unborn children. Definitely a con. At least he's honest about his stance and doesn't hold two positions like McCain who says it's ok to murder unborn children if the woman was raped or if he doctors suggests it. Plus, out of the two, only Obama has a plan to help women considering "not" aborting that is similar to what The Catholic Church is already doing and he's promised help to religious insitutions that want to work with these mothers. He also wants to fund programs that prevent abortion being necessary. Besides, no politician ever was responsible for a woman getting herself pregnant. And it was the party of McCain that legalized abortion in the early 70's.  |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 15:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 28, 2008 15:42:40 GMT -5
Once again, I'm not voting, but I admit that I do hope Obama wins.
and I hope that all pro life people will finally realize that checking a box in Nov. is not going to end abortion! We have to love, give, work, pray and sacrifice!
teresa
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Post by redsoxfan on Jul 28, 2008 18:16:09 GMT -5
I agree with t. He's cool with killing babies.
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Post by knuckle on Jul 28, 2008 18:22:16 GMT -5
the green party is looking better by the minute
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jul 28, 2008 22:37:36 GMT -5
he is for raising taxes,...con
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 29, 2008 8:21:35 GMT -5
The only thing I have ever liked about the Rep. party is that they are usually pro-life. This time, their candidate is not pro-life. There is nothing left to like there. That is why I prefer Obama over Mc Cain. At least Obama might help the poor in this country and the marginalized and those without health care...etc etc.
If we lift up the poor, it will lower the rates of abortion.
I still believe that it is up to the CHurch to end abortion.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us!
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2008 8:27:38 GMT -5
he is for raising taxes,...con He should raise taxes. Did you know that rich people pay less taxes than we do percentagewise? We (middleclass) carry the tax burden while the rich pay less. He's actually going to cut taxes on the middle class and not raise taxes on the rich, but he's going to take away the tax breaks that Bush gave them to make them pay their fair share. In other words, he's going to level the field so that we don't carry the burden anymore while the rich pay less. |
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Post by Cepha on Jul 29, 2008 9:06:02 GMT -5
The only thing I have ever liked about the Rep. party is that they are usually pro-life. This time, their candidate is not pro-life. There is nothing left to like there. That is why I prefer Obama over Mc Cain. At least Obama might help the poor in this country and the marginalized and those without health care...etc etc. If we lift up the poor, it will lower the rates of abortion. I still believe that it is up to the CHurch to end abortion. Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us! teresa Amen. Ultimately, women are responsible for their own actions. Not politicians. No matter how legal abortion is, women should just "not" do it period. They dont' do it because it's legal. They do it because they "choose" to do it. Besides, most women who have them say that were it not for financial hardship, they would not do it. Fact: Abortions go down and birthrates go up in prosperous times. If women knew about the cancers they open themselves up to by disrupting the natural process giving birth, if they knew about the joys of having a child, if they knew about the blessing children are, they wouldn't have them (abortions). I feel sorry for those who have them without wanting to. I know that not only do the lost children suffer, but so do the women who have them (abortions). God help them. We should pray for them. I personally don't like to judge a person for their sins, but I can judge my government for allowing it. And we as a society are completely and 100% wrong when it comes to abortion. When it was mostly African Americans who were being aborted (the founder of Planned Parenthood was a staunch racist), it was ok for us as the racist society that we were to have legalized abortion. It should've never have been legalized period. Neither should Prostitution. Nor strip clubs. Nor pornography. Nor the freedom for clubs like NAMBLA to exist. We are living in modern day Sodom & Gommorah, Babylon, Rome.  We do great things as Americans and help others when they have needs, but God forgive us for those illicit acitivities we allow to flourish as a society. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jul 29, 2008 11:58:27 GMT -5
More than that, if men and women knew the God that created them and His love for them, and His purpose for marriage, then less people would have "unplanned" pregnancy in the first place!
And many who have abortions are truly not able to be mothers. But that's ok because their are thousands and thousands of couples waiting to adopt newborn babies!
That is why I pray that adoption will be promoted more and that it will be easier for (appropriate) couples to adopt. There are ridiculous legal fees involved and often couples are rejected because they don't make enough money or their home isn't nice enough etc. We need to lower the standards for some aspects of adoption, while raising the standards for other aspects.
Women considering abortion need to know that if they can just hold on and sacrifice for a few more months, and make a plan for adoption, they will have joy instead of regrets and know they are doing the best for their child.
I think it was Mother Teresa who said something like this : "Don't abort your babies, give them to me and I will raise them all!"
Preach it Mother!
teresa
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Post by redsoxfan on Jul 31, 2008 22:32:05 GMT -5
who told you mccain wasn't pro life t?
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Post by Cepha on Aug 11, 2008 8:22:41 GMT -5
He "says" he's pro-life, but he's not.
He's "partly" pro-life.
He believes it's ok to murder uborn children if the mother was raped, in cases of incest (both forced and consentual) and if the doctor suggests it. One cannot be pro-life and believe in those things.
Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 11, 2008 10:12:44 GMT -5
And you are still voting for someone that Votes YES KILL THE BABIES!
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Post by Cepha on Aug 11, 2008 10:15:05 GMT -5
And you are still voting for someone that Votes YES KILL THE BABIES! As opposed to voting for someone who says "yes, kill the babies in cases of incest, rape and doctor's opinion"? Both candidates believe that killing babies is legal. John McCain said he would defend the right of a woman to kill her baby under those instances. The Church says that I'm not wrong. So if The Church says that I'm not wrong, how could you?  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 11, 2008 10:19:37 GMT -5
Listen i just would not use this topic as one of your main voting disisions, Obama is clearly wrong in the eyes of the Church, moreso than McCain.
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Post by Cepha on Aug 11, 2008 10:36:59 GMT -5
Listen i just would not use this topic as one of your main voting disisions, Obama is clearly wrong in the eyes of the Church, moreso than McCain. Yes, but that's just on one topic. He's right on every other topic while McCain is still wrong on abortion and on war and poverty issues. So, according to The Church, McCain has at least 3 strikes to Obama's 1. Of course, there's also the "moral" lives they've led (Obama has had a steady family life having been married only once while McCain is known for not only for having an affair on his first wife with his current wife while his first wife was recovering from a deforming accident, but he's also cheated on his current wife as was exposed earlier this year and as is being brought up again now with Edwards' admission to an affair). Not to mention his Corruptioin Scandal (Keathing Five). So; * he's pro-abortion in certain cases (meaning he's not 100% pro-life), * he's known for using racial slurs (something that is considered "un-American"), * he couldn't be trusted to remain faithful to his first or his second wife * and he was involved in a corruption scandal. (plus, he wasn't even born "in" America) Obama only is pro-choice. That's his one fault. But he has no record of corruption, he's been loyal to his wife and family (showing his good morals), he's not a racist and he's spent his whole life serving the public as a social advocate. (plus, he was born in America!) So Obama is far more moral & ethical than McCain is. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 11, 2008 18:22:17 GMT -5
who has not ever used racial slurrs? Seriously!
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Post by Cepha on Aug 11, 2008 18:50:55 GMT -5
who has not ever used racial slurrs? Seriously! Jesus. Who do you think would make a better President? David Duke or Martin Luther King? |
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