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Post by alfie on Oct 25, 2008 16:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 26, 2008 18:47:00 GMT -5
Yeah, i have seen this one. Its true, most uneducated black people and some educated ones are voting for obama because he is half black. History just has to be made at no costs.
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Post by Cepha on Oct 28, 2008 10:29:25 GMT -5
Yeah, i have seen this one. Its true, most uneducated black people and some educated ones are voting for obama because he is half black. History just has to be made at no costs. So you'd rather vote for a man who doesn't even know who we're fighting in Iraq and who didn't vote for the New GI Bill and who uses racist terms and who cheated on his first AND 2nd wife and who was admonished by the Senate for his corrupt association with The Keating Five and who believes in abortion in certain cases? Wah-Ohh! History has already been made and if Obama wins, get ready because life as you know it will change too! It's over with the "same old" ways! YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT!  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 28, 2008 12:43:11 GMT -5
I believe things will change! lol All the welfare folks are going to be driving more expensive cars while collecting food stamps, living on medicaid, having more children(why not when the government is raising everyones taxes to pay for our lazy asses) I see this too often in my town.
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Post by Cepha on Oct 29, 2008 10:02:00 GMT -5
I believe things will change! lol All the welfare folks are going to be driving more expensive cars while collecting food stamps, living on medicaid, having more children(why not when the government is raising everyones taxes to pay for our lazy asses) I see this too often in my town. Funny, but under Clinton, more people transitioned from Welfare to work than under Bush. Under Bush, more people had to get on Welfare. What does that tell you? Which is the "welfare" party? The Republican "give to the rich and hope it trickles down to the poor" strategy just doesn't work. All it does is puts our country in debt. Over the past 2 decades, Republican Presidencies have resulted in loss of productivity, economic failure and diminished prosperity. And another thing, you can't blame those innocent Americans who lose their jobs because of the economic problems we're going through that have to go on Welfare. That's what Welfare is for. The overwhelmingly typical Welfare recipients are suburban middle-class women with children who've lost their jobs or are recently divorced and are suffering hardships. You see them as "lazy" baby producers? How's about a little compassion for the less fortunate and less judgement (and curses)?  www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-212.html |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 29, 2008 12:53:28 GMT -5
You know the type of people on welfare im talking about cepha... not the ones that truly deserve and need it!
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Post by Cepha on Oct 29, 2008 13:02:56 GMT -5
You know the type of people on welfare im talking about cepha... not the ones that truly deserve and need it! But according to you, most are drug dealing expensive car driving baby machines when the truth is that the overwhelming majority are not those things. The overwhelming majority are suburban women. So if that's the majority of people on welfare, (people who need it) why down the welfare system? And why misrepresent those on welfare as drug dealing expensive car driving baby machines when most are suburban women?  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 30, 2008 0:01:20 GMT -5
Why dont you go sit down at the place where you apply for Welfare and foodstamps and you tell me what kind of people they are. I bet you have never been there. Im not lieing cepha, although things down south are a lil different then you yanks up there.
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Post by knuckle on Oct 30, 2008 7:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by knuckle on Oct 30, 2008 7:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Oct 30, 2008 16:35:15 GMT -5
hmm..
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Post by redsoxfan on Oct 30, 2008 23:02:30 GMT -5
Looks like its getting better. But the statistics are a decade old.
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Post by Cepha on Oct 31, 2008 8:45:32 GMT -5
Actually, the "average" person on welfare is white. They make up the majority of the welfare recipients. I believe blacks come in 2nd and Hispanics 3rd (though you can't really count us Hispanics as a race...we are really only culturally tied together and have several races in our culture...I guess the "real" definition of a Hispanic would be one of Spanish descendency which is easier to find which would dramatically reduce the number of us on Welfare when you subtract the black Hispanics and the White Hispanics). FROM AN ACADEMIC SITE:www.msu.edu/user/skourtes/myths.htmlFive Major Welfare MythsMyth #1: The typical welfare recipient is a black inner city single mother. The Census Bureau's most recent annual poverty report found that urban black mothers constitute less than one out of six of all poor households. Rural white families account for more--one out of five. White surburban families accountfor even more--one out of four. Myth #2: The poor are lazy. Forty percent of poor adults work, although many cannot find full time jobs. Indeed, even when they do they may still be in poverty. Some 11 million jobs in 1991 paid less than $11,500, $2,000 under the official poverty level for a family of four. Of those poor adults who don't work, 90 percent fall into the following categories: 22 percent are disabled, 17 percent are in school, 21 percent are elderly retirees, 31 percent have family responsibilities. Myth #3: Welfare mothers breed welfare daughters. Two long term studies reported by the House Ways and Means Committee in 1992 found that only about one in five daughters of "highly welfare dependent" mothers themselves become highly dependent on welfare. The rest rely on welfare sporadically or not at all. Myth #4: Throwing people off the welfare rolls will eventually improve their lives and save taxpayers money. The most celebrated experiment in welfare reform has occurred in Michigan. Governor Engler completely eliminated his state's $240 million General Assistance(GA) payments to 83,000 childless, able bodied adults.Only 8 percent of these former GA recipients found employment and they earn an average of only $120 a week. Many sell blood for $20 a pint. Over one third lost their homes when the program ended. As one study notes, if only 5 percent of these former GA recipients end up in prison or a state psychiatric institution all the taxpayer savings from ending General Assistance will be lost. Myth #5: Welfare is cheaper than creating well paying public jobs. In his book "Securing the Right to Employment", Philip Harvey calculates that in 1986 we could have achieved full employment by creating l0.4 million public service jobs. He further assumed that the average annual wage would be $13,000. The cost of such a program would have been a daunting $142 billion. But when we deduct from this sum the taxes that would be paid by these new workers and the savings from drastically reduced unemployment insurance payments, welfare , Medicaid, food stamps and other expenditures directly linked to low income and unemployment overall we would have spent $13 billion less. A full employment program, even excluding the social savingsfrom reduced family violence, more stable communities, and less crime, pays for itself in reduced welfare expenditures.
If we can overcome these five myths about welfare we may well engage in a national dialogue with meaningful results, not only for the one in five Americans who now live in poverty, but for the nation as a whole. But this will occur only when we challenge and overcome the welfare myths that paralyze our thinking.
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