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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2008 21:30:23 GMT -5
Who are The Saints?
How were they revealed to The Church?
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Post by righteousone on Mar 25, 2008 17:47:55 GMT -5
The thousands of saints were martyred for the Catholic faith. Almost all were tortured, beheaded or hung upside down to be crucified. These saints are incorruptible upon opening their tombs even as late as 500 years later.
What makes a saint so special is their perserverance, and their undying love for Jesus christ.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 25, 2008 18:23:24 GMT -5
what about today? Are they still undecomposed?
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Post by Cepha on Mar 25, 2008 21:55:06 GMT -5
Yep. Their Holy bodies are like the Energizer Bunny.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 25, 2008 21:57:45 GMT -5
wow that is amazing, wes and i was wonding that. Everyone should know about this!!!
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Post by Cepha on Mar 25, 2008 22:21:46 GMT -5
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jacee
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Post by jacee on Apr 6, 2008 9:23:34 GMT -5
still dead....
Why seek Him among the dead?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 6, 2008 10:00:42 GMT -5
still dead.... Why seek Him among the dead? God is not the God of the dead, but of The Living. How could "dead" Saints be in Heaven in Rev 5:8/8:3? Jesus promised everlasting life...how can one have everlasting life and be dead at the same time? You focus faith on the material (the flesh) aspect instead of on the spiritual. Our bodies die. Even Jesus' body died. But did that make Jesus any less alive when He resureccted? And what does praying to a Saint have to do with seeking Christ? Nobody mentioned seeking Christ among the dead. Jesus was also seen "among" the dead according to your definition of it... Mark 9: 4 And there appeared unto them Elijah with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob died physically, right? Yet God is called their God and calls them "the living"? So why do you not believe that they are alive and are dead if God calls them alive "after" physical death? Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Besides, The Saints were risen from their graves upon the sacrifice of Christ to set them free from death. How could you still call them dead?  Matthew 27:51-53 "And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake; and the rocks were rent; and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised; and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many." |
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Post by righteousone on May 12, 2008 19:59:49 GMT -5
Funny how before the Reformation, there were thousands of saints who were martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. They were all Catholic, before Luther came and screwed everything up.
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Post by Cepha on May 12, 2008 20:24:49 GMT -5
Funny how before the Reformation, there were thousands of saints who were martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. They were all Catholic, before Luther came and screwed everything up. All Luther did was to lead the goats out of the flock. It wasn't just Luther, don't forget the illustrious King Henry the VIII who wanted to divorce his wife so he murdered all the Priests and started his own church making himself the pope of his own church. Then, he planted his own religious leader and got his divorce. Or course, out of all this chaos where "kings" were taking over religious positions of power, a bible was created. |
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Post by alfie on May 12, 2008 23:12:40 GMT -5
Funny how before the Reformation, there were thousands of saints who were martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. They were all Catholic, before Luther came and screwed everything up. That's funny because if you look at the history books you will find that persecution stopped when Constantine started the Catholic Church in the fourth century and that is because the real Christian church had been corrupted from its original pure doctrine which was Satans intention from the git go. |
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Post by Cepha on May 13, 2008 4:25:51 GMT -5
Funny how before the Reformation, there were thousands of saints who were martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. They were all Catholic, before Luther came and screwed everything up. That's funny because if you look at the history books you will find that persecution stopped when Constantine started the Catholic Church in the fourth century and that is because the real Christian church had been corrupted from its original pure doctrine which was Satans intention from the git go. Actually, The Catholic Church existed since The Upper Room in the book of Acts. In fact, The Christian Church is first called The Catholic Church hundreds of years before Constantine was even born (his mother was also a Catholic) and Constantine did not become a Catholic until minutes before he died. Proof that The Catholic Church wasn't started "by" Constantine: The Church is called “Catholic” "See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). " ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished." Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).
“…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.” The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).
"[N]or does it consist in this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180).
“For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled.” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200).
”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God's priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).
“But for those who say, There was when He was not, and, Before being born He was not, and that He came into existence out of nothing, or who assert that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis or substance...these the Catholic and apostolic Church anathematizes.” Creed of Nicea (A.D. 325).
"Concerning those who call themselves Cathari, if they come over to the Catholic and Apostolic Church, the great and holy Synod decrees that they who are ordained shall continue as they are in the clergy. But it is before all things necessary that they should profess in writing that they will observe and follow the dogmas of the Catholic and Apostolic Church; in particular that they will communicate with persons who have been twice married, and with those who having lapsed in persecution have had a period [of penance] laid upon them, and a time [of restoration] fixed so that in all things they will follow the dogmas of the Catholic Church..." Council of Nicaea I (A.D. 325).
“Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, 'That thou mayest know haw thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth'” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,18:25(A.D. 350).
"[T]he Article, In one Holy Catholic Church,' on which, though one might say many things, we will speak but briefly. It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly… for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to thee now the Article, And in one Holy Catholic Church;' that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated. And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 18:23,26 (A.D. 350).
"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, and eternal life. Amen." Apostles Creed (A.D. 360).
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Post by righteousone on May 13, 2008 19:09:26 GMT -5
Why do these non-Catholics think they know all there is to know about the Catholic church when in fact they know nothing? They are sooooo consumed about the CC, almost to the point that it mesmerizes them, and they want to know more about it.
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Post by Cepha on May 13, 2008 21:18:45 GMT -5
Why do these non-Catholics think they know all there is to know about the Catholic church when in fact they know nothing? They are sooooo consumed about the CC, almost to the point that it mesmerizes them, and they want to know more about it. It's the anti-Catholics that are consumed with us. Non-Catholics covers all Christians outside of The Church, but it's the Non-Catholics who know more about what they have been misindoctrinated to believe is wrong with Catholicism, than Christianity. For example, if you ask them to point out something regarding Salvation, they come up blank, or when the first Holy Bible appeared in history or what The First Christians believed and were taught. But ask them to prove Mary had sex after Jesus was born and you'll get website upon website dedicated to Mary's sex life. It's odd and scary at the same time. The only time they look back at Christian history pre-16th Century is to point out The Catholic Church's faults. According to them we didn't exist until after the 4th Century, yet, we're responsible for bad things that happened before the 4th Century. By their very nature, they are wrong. You cannot be a Christian and judge how other Christians worship. It goes against Jesus' teaching in Mark 9. Even we as Catholics can be guilty of such behaviour (to pass judgement on others as to how they worship Christ...that's between them and Jesus). I think anti-Catholics have far too much time on their hands. I personally don't have time to discredit other faiths. I'm too busy with my contiual conversion to start throwing stones at others. Don't get me wrong, if someone questions me or asks me for proof of my faith, I'll supply it, but I won't go out of my way set up websites or publish books as to why their not Christians. Again, Mark 9. That is the standard of reference for how Christians should consider the religious practices of other Christians. But...some are just stuck on stupid unimportant, unspiritual things like what color was Jesus or on African Americans being dark skinned because they are sinful and are cursed. |
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Post by righteousone on May 15, 2008 14:10:39 GMT -5
I will read Mark 9. I just think they are soooo misinformed, like saying Constantine started the Catholic religion...what a joke...What about Christopher Columbus who gave his men communion before he set sail and named his ships after the Blessed Mother? SANTA MARIA. The world was Catholic, then Luther the heretic came...and others.
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Post by Cepha on May 15, 2008 14:13:19 GMT -5
I will read Mark 9. I just think they are soooo misinformed, like saying Constantine started the Catholic religion...what a joke...What about Christopher Columbus who gave his men communion before he set sail and named his ships after the Blessed Mother? SANTA MARIA. The world was Catholic, then Luther the heretic came...and others. Read my anti-Catholics board. ;D |
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Post by teresahrc on Sept 15, 2008 13:58:18 GMT -5
The Bible definitely proves the veneration of relics and the communion of Saints!
The Bible doesn't ever say "Pray directly to Jesus" or "Pray to the Holy Spirit" but that doesn't mean I'm not going to do it.
1Preserve me, O God, for I take refuge in You.
2I said to the LORD, "You are my Lord;
I have no good besides You."
3As for the saints who are in the earth,
They are the majestic ones in whom is all my delight. Psalm 16
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Post by Ramon on Sept 21, 2008 1:39:32 GMT -5
Yes, the Holy Scriptures teach veneration of Holy Relics (Acts 19:11-12 among others) and the communion of Saints (Rev 5:8, 8:3). I am reminded of these Scriptures: "And Elisha died, and they buried him. And the bands of the Moabites invaded the land at the coming in of the year.
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet" (2 Kings 13:20-21). This is the earliest record of a Holy Relic. Please note: God used Elisha bones to deliver his healing power, as did he also with Saint Paul. After the Apostolic Era, God still use Holy Relics of Saints to deliver healing (i.e., the veneration of Polycarp's relics recorded in the Martyrdom of Polycarp (written 150–160 AD). This is still done today by God, even with Holy Icons.
In IC.XC,
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