If Peter was a "fisherman"...

[Cepha]

If he was a fisherman, shouldn't his ability to swim have been one of the first things a fisherman should know?

Why would he sink even if he couldn't walk on water after he lost his ability to believe that he could? At the very least, he should've been able to swim as a fisherman.

A fisherman that can't swim is like a roofer that can't climb a ladder.

What's the hidden message in that passage?



Matthew 14:28-30

28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto the upon the waters.

29 And he said, Come. And Peter went down from the boat, and walked upon the waters to come to Jesus.

30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried out, saying, Lord, save me

[teresahrc]

He could swim! At the end of John's gospel, he recognized the risen Jesus and immediately dove into the water and swam to shore!
You are so silly Cepha!
I believe he was sinking after walking on water because he began to doubt. Remember, there was a storm at the time, so the swimming conditions would not have been well! Also, he was probably freaked out because he was walking on water one minute, then the next minute was sinking. (and there was a storm)

teresa

[Cepha]

Dec 1, 2008 14:14:05 GMT -5 @teresahrc said:

He could swim! At the end of John's gospel, he recognized the risen Jesus and immediately dove into the water and swam to shore!
You are so silly Cepha!
I believe he was sinking after walking on water because he began to doubt. Remember, there was a storm at the time, so the swimming conditions would not have been well! Also, he was probably freaked out because he was walking on water one minute, then the next minute was sinking. (and there was a storm)

teresa

Yeah, I kind of took all of that into consideration.

This is how I see it...once one becomes a Christian,
it's like literally being born again in every sense of the word.
One has to re-learn how to do everything from scratch.

He knew how to swim...even in poor conditions he had to know
how to swim. But, because he placed all of his faith in Jesus,
he was completely dependant on Him to carry him through
(which in my opinion is a good way to be).

There are things that used to be easy for me to do.
Things like hookin' up with girls, sinning, etc...
Now, I just can't do them. I've become such a dummy at
"normal" things "of" The World.

Socially, I'm a nerd. An oddball. I don't hang out, I rarely curse,
I drive the speed limit (most of the time), I let anybody through
when I'm driving, etc...and my non-Christian friends say I'm wierd.

Imagine that...weird for being "nice".

I used to be such a gigahoe. Forget about it, I'd have 2 women in one day I was so bad. Now, I'm so re-virginized it's not funny.
But it had to be. I couldn't have the old when I became a Christian. When I reverted back to Catholicism, I had to abandon
a lot (a lot of useless worldly things). Thank & Praise God.

So Peter, he "could" swim, but not walk on water.
He was so intent on walking on water, that he probably fogot
that swimming was an option for him. He wanted to walk "on"
the water.

Which is what I'm trying to do now. I want to be as "holy" as I
was when I first reverted to my faith, but the Friars tell me that
that may never come back. The graces of a Prodigal Son first are
great, but that after that, we have to develop our own strength
& virtue...not just rely on God to do it for us all the time.

That's what I saw when Peter began to sink.

Just my two pennies.

[knuckle]

Good answer,worth every cent

[teresahrc]

let anybody through
when I'm driving,

I used to do that too, but then I realized that it isn't being nice to the people behind me. So now I only let about 50% of the people through to be fair.

[teresahrc]

used to be such a gigahoe. Forget about it, I'd have 2 women in one day I was so bad. Now, I'm so re-virginized it's not funny.
But it had to be. I couldn't have the old when I became a Christian. When I reverted back to Catholicism, I had to abandon
a lot (a lot of useless worldly things). Thank & Praise God.

So Peter, he "could" swim, but not walk on water.
He was so intent on walking on water, that he probably fogot
that swimming was an option for him. He wanted to walk "on"
the water.

Which is what I'm trying to do now. I want to be as "holy" as I
was when I first reverted to my faith, but the Friars tell me that
that may never come back. The graces of a Prodigal Son first are
great, but that after that, we have to develop our own strength
& virtue...not just rely on God to do it for us all the time.

gigahoe? LOL!
don't worry, you're not the only one with a dark past!

You are such a sweetie-a-bop.

I think that you are right about the developing our strength and virtue. It is like we are in a nest all safe and sound and then when we get a little older, God kind of pushes us out of the nest for our own good. But yet I think He also lets the wind blow just the right speed and direction so we don't splatter on the rocks.
I don't think it's ever all us or all Him, I think it is always us + Him. Maybe in the beginning we have more of an emotional high, but that doesn't mean we were more holy just because we felt more holy then!


We are all a bunch of screwed up sinners, but living for God is so much better. Life is too short to waste on trivial pursuits.

teresa

[Cepha]

Dec 3, 2008 6:47:27 GMT -5 knuckle said:

Good answer,worth every cent

Thank you Brother Knuckle!

And it's free!

[Cepha]

Dec 4, 2008 13:12:55 GMT -5 @teresahrc said:

let anybody through
when I'm driving,

I used to do that too, but then I realized that it isn't being nice to the people behind me. So now I only let about 50% of the people through to be fair.

Or...you could set an example (like this insurance commercial I see) where they see you doing something nice and in turn they pass it on.

[Cepha]

Dec 4, 2008 13:23:34 GMT -5 @teresahrc said:

gigahoe? LOL!
don't worry, you're not the only one with a dark past!

One of the most gut-wrenching scenes for me of The Passion...

That could well be me...




You are such a sweetie-a-bop.

I think that you are right about the developing our strength and virtue. It is like we are in a nest all safe and sound and then when we get a little older, God kind of pushes us out of the nest for our own good. But yet I think He also lets the wind blow just the right speed and direction so we don't splatter on the rocks.
I don't think it's ever all us or all Him, I think it is always us + Him. Maybe in the beginning we have more of an emotional high, but that doesn't mean we were more holy just because we felt more holy then!

I deal a lot with Monks and get spiritual guidance from them.
They help me so much.
They are Holy Men.

First, I floated after my reversion to The Faith.
Then I fell.
Now, I'm walking with a crutch.
Even if I never float again,
I am infinitely better than I was "before" I reverted back to my Faith.

I'd rather spiritually limp, than run without God.

Amen.

Thank you God.

We are all a bunch of screwed up sinners, but living for God is so much better. Life is too short to waste on trivial pursuits.

That's what I love about Catholicism and those Christian groups that feel the same...what makes us Christians is not that we're good, but that we recognize that we need Jesus.

We don't automatically believe that once saved, we're good for life and that no matter what we do, we'll get into heaven...some Goats mistakenly believed that and got cast out.

Pax