Post by watchman on Jan 1, 2009 13:51:02 GMT -5
I started this thread because there is a theme that ''protestants'' do not trust the early church fathers, yet they believed in the premillenniual return of Christ, yet catholicism declared this belief of the ECFs as heresy.
I am what you would call a ''Historical Premillennialist''. It is called the Historical view because it is just that, it is the view of the Apostles and their disciples, such as Polycarp, Ireanius, and Justin Martyr, and I believe it is the view taught by Jesus and Paul in the scriptures.
This is what they taught.......
#1 That the church and the Israel of God are one. I do not believe in ''Replacement theology'' but that we were of 2 made 1 new man as taught in Ephesians 2:11-19 and that we are grafted into the true Israel of God as taught in Romans 11:17-24.
#2 That the just of all ages will be resurrected at the posttrib 2nd coming and that immediately after the resurrection of the just those that have survived the tribulation and remain alive will be caught up or ''raptured'' at that time. That we the dead in Christ and the living saint will receive immortal heavenly bodies at the posttrib 2nd coming as we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as taught in 1st Cor 15:51-53, 1st Thess 4:15-17, and 1st John 3:2
#3 At this point after the resurrection and the rapture Jesus will purge the wicked by fire as taught in Matthew 3:12 and 2nd Thess 1:6-10 and restore the Jewish nation that have not bowed to the anti christ as taught in Romans 11:25-26. The Jews will enter the Millennium in their mortal bodies and populate it with mortal, while the church or the bride (those resurrected and raptured) will reign with Christ as kings and priests during the Millennium in immortal heavenly bodies as taught in Revelation 20:4-6.
#4 That at the end of the Millennium Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit, he will deceive a great multitude of mortals God will destroy them, then will come the great white throne judgment as taught in Revelation 20:7-15.
#5 After the Great White Throne judgment New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven to the New Earth we will live in the New Jerusalem with God the Father and Jesus Christ for all eternity, while the wicked suffer for all eternity in the Lake of Fire as taught in Revelation 21.
P.S. The heaven and Earth that exists now will not exists after the White Throne Judgment.
I am what you would call a ''Historical Premillennialist''. It is called the Historical view because it is just that, it is the view of the Apostles and their disciples, such as Polycarp, Ireanius, and Justin Martyr, and I believe it is the view taught by Jesus and Paul in the scriptures.
This is what they taught.......
#1 That the church and the Israel of God are one. I do not believe in ''Replacement theology'' but that we were of 2 made 1 new man as taught in Ephesians 2:11-19 and that we are grafted into the true Israel of God as taught in Romans 11:17-24.
#2 That the just of all ages will be resurrected at the posttrib 2nd coming and that immediately after the resurrection of the just those that have survived the tribulation and remain alive will be caught up or ''raptured'' at that time. That we the dead in Christ and the living saint will receive immortal heavenly bodies at the posttrib 2nd coming as we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as taught in 1st Cor 15:51-53, 1st Thess 4:15-17, and 1st John 3:2
#3 At this point after the resurrection and the rapture Jesus will purge the wicked by fire as taught in Matthew 3:12 and 2nd Thess 1:6-10 and restore the Jewish nation that have not bowed to the anti christ as taught in Romans 11:25-26. The Jews will enter the Millennium in their mortal bodies and populate it with mortal, while the church or the bride (those resurrected and raptured) will reign with Christ as kings and priests during the Millennium in immortal heavenly bodies as taught in Revelation 20:4-6.
#4 That at the end of the Millennium Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit, he will deceive a great multitude of mortals God will destroy them, then will come the great white throne judgment as taught in Revelation 20:7-15.
#5 After the Great White Throne judgment New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven to the New Earth we will live in the New Jerusalem with God the Father and Jesus Christ for all eternity, while the wicked suffer for all eternity in the Lake of Fire as taught in Revelation 21.
P.S. The heaven and Earth that exists now will not exists after the White Throne Judgment.