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Post by teresahrc on Mar 13, 2009 14:30:32 GMT -5
Please, nothing offensive!!!!
What I'm asking is what is the most anti-Catholic thing you've heard (or If you are an anti-Catholic, what is your top reason for it?)
Classic example: (which is false) Catholics worship Mary.
I've also heard someone say that the nuns in Mexico "beat up" the students! (Come on, I've seen how tiny the nuns are down there)
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 13, 2009 14:37:57 GMT -5
Catholics are not Christian
We worship statues.
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 18, 2009 21:23:40 GMT -5
"Catholics cannot get into heaven." Not something I believe, but I know people do.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 19, 2009 0:51:23 GMT -5
Wow emily, i believe you once told me on cusa that catholics were not christians. That has stuck into my head forever.
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 19, 2009 10:54:57 GMT -5
Wow emily, i believe you once told me on cusa that catholics were not christians. That has stuck into my head forever. No, I don't think I've ever said that. I believe Catholics can be Saved. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 19, 2009 19:52:20 GMT -5
How do you think Catholics can be saved, and why do you think good Catholics are not saved?
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 19, 2009 21:57:17 GMT -5
The same any other person can become Saved, admit they are a sinner, accept Christ into their life and serve HIm as their Lord.
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Post by alfie on Mar 22, 2009 11:01:53 GMT -5
The same any other person can become Saved, admit they are a sinner, accept Christ into their life and serve HIm as their Lord. I have a problem with this because I know there are some Catholics who are sincerely sorry for their sins but on the other hand they commit idolatry when the participate in the Mass, so I don't know how God will judge them. We also have to take into consideration that Catholics divide their sins into venial and mortal. They don't believe Jesus had to die for their venial sins which I find shocking because the Bible is very plain that their is no righteousness in man. Catholics believe that their nature in merely wounded, while Evangelicals believe in the total depravity of man. I only need to look within my own heart to know there is no good within me and that I could never be acceptable to a "Holy God" without Jesus as my advocate. If you have some extra reading time Emily read a book called "The Normal Christian Life" by Watchman Nee. I just started reading it and so far it is excellent. |
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 22, 2009 12:32:09 GMT -5
Hey Alfie- I believe God knows and judges a person's heart. Someone can be a Saved Christian, just be trapped in the false system...God will know they don't know any better, and judge accordingly. He is a merciful God...praise be to Him.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 23, 2009 16:12:32 GMT -5
Hey Alfie- I believe God knows and judges a person's heart. Someone can be a Saved Christian, just be trapped in the false system...God will know they don't know any better, and judge accordingly. He is a merciful God...praise be to Him. Emily, you sound like you just read that from The Catechism of The Catholic Church. We've been criticized for believing and teaching exactly what you just said. God will accept a good Catholic and a good Protestant and reject a bad Catholic and a bad Protestant.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 23, 2009 17:17:21 GMT -5
I say AMEN!
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Post by Cepha on Mar 23, 2009 19:23:10 GMT -5
I have a problem with this because I know there are some Catholics who are sincerely sorry for their sins but on the other hand they commit idolatry when the participate in the Mass, so I don't know how God will judge them. What "idolatry" is performed in The Mass? And, if you were shown that Mass was practiced by The Apostles and Jesus, would you also partake in The Mass? Actually, The Bible does that: 16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. (mortal sin)
There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.
17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.(venial sin) (1 John 5:16,17) Because The Bible doesn't teach that. Jesus died to save us. The only sin we need to be saved from is mortal sin (sin that leads to death). That's the whole concept of salvation...saving from spiritual death. God created you. God doesn't create evil or things are no good. All that God created is good. It's what you do (not what you are) that makes evil. God created everything inherently good. It's what "we" do that makes us sinful. Not what God created. I used to feel like that until a Priest taught me that this is the Satan's trick...to deceive us into believing that God's creations (us) are no good. This leads us to sin even more. God is good and nothing bad can come out of anything that is good. We come out of God. You have to believe Jesus when He taught us this. It's what we do (not who we are) that makes us good or bad. Emily, I suggest you read The Holy Bible and refrain from books written by men. |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 23, 2009 19:56:02 GMT -5
Hey Alfie- I believe God knows and judges a person's heart. Someone can be a Saved Christian, just be trapped in the false system...God will know they don't know any better, and judge accordingly. He is a merciful God...praise be to Him. Emily, Here is the "official" Catholic Church teaching on what you said (I hope you like it )... Second Vatican Council: "The Constitution of the Church" "The Catholic Church professes that it is the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church of Christ; this it does not and could not deny. But in its Constitution the Church now solemnly acknowledges that the Holy Ghost is truly active in the churches and communities separated from itself. To these other Christian Churches the Catholic Church is bound in many ways: through reverence for God's word in the Scriptures; through the fact of baptism; through other sacraments which they recognize." 5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church." "Decree on Ecumenism: Unitatis Redintegratio" (1964) "The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. ...it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." "Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ." "The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation." =========================================================== This is all in reference to Romans 2:17-29 on how non-Jews can be saved. |
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Post by teresahrc on Mar 24, 2009 11:55:43 GMT -5
Cepha, after I read Alfie's post, I was totally going to say almost everything you said.
You said it much better than I would have though.
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 24, 2009 13:59:13 GMT -5
you should take your own advice, cepha.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 24, 2009 14:44:39 GMT -5
Hey em... i remember now...your church serman that i listened to claimed that the Catholic Church was the whore of babylon...therefore how can your church believe that we are Christians and be that? Even the anti-christ i believe was in there.
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Post by emily445455 on Mar 24, 2009 16:31:11 GMT -5
We believe born-again Christians can be in false religious systems.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Mar 24, 2009 20:07:28 GMT -5
I understand.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2009 22:35:53 GMT -5
you should take your own advice, cepha. On what? |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2009 22:39:49 GMT -5
Cepha, after I read Alfie's post, I was totally going to say almost everything you said. You said it much better than I would have though.
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