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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 13:59:31 GMT -5
I do know what you believe I have discussed it with you many time I even heard a sermon your pastor preached. I told you you needed to run from that church as fast as you could. Then you must have forgotten what I said.  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2009 14:26:34 GMT -5
It just boggles me how you feel as if you have permission to judge who is and who isn't pleasing God. I do not judge anyone I just obey the word of the Lord. Ezekiel 33
I have set thee a watchman So you would have us believe that God was talking about "you" specifically when He said that?  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2009 14:32:31 GMT -5
He's right about one thing Em... " People think they are saved when they are not,
and will not realize this truth until they die and wake up in hell." But he wouldn't be too happy with who that would apply to.  I know who it applies to. Matthew 7
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.People who confess Christ but do not serve Him that is who it applies to. Ain't if funny how you only see what "you" want to see in Matthew 7 and how you can completely bypass the very first teaching in that chapter? Matthew 7:1Judge not, that ye be not judged. |
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 10, 2009 15:21:54 GMT -5
I agree.
Emily, I have to admit, I don't know much about you either. (feel free to share about yourself, but you don't have to)
But Ezekiel, didn't you say that you don't always agree with everything your pastor teaches, or do you??
teresa
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 15:54:01 GMT -5
I agree. Emily, I have to admit, I don't know much about you either. (feel free to share about yourself, but you don't have to) I'm open to answering questions about what I believe to the best of my ability. |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 16:47:32 GMT -5
I do not judge anyone I just obey the word of the Lord. Ezekiel 33
I have set thee a watchman So you would have us believe that God was talking about "you" specifically when He said that? What you believe is irrelevant, if I believe it then I must obey it, so as to not have your blood on my hands. Your belief in my relationship with God means absolutely nothing. |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 16:49:40 GMT -5
I agree. Emily, I have to admit, I don't know much about you either. (feel free to share about yourself, but you don't have to) But Ezekiel, didn't you say that you don't always agree with everything your pastor teaches, or do you?? teresa No I do not teresa, however emily does, even when scripture denies its validity. I have many discussions with her via Churchusa. Are you emily denying you believe in OSAS? You emily are also a dedicated believer in the pretrib rapture which is easily disproving by scripture, matter of fact everything scripture says about the subject tells us the very opposite. |
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 17:11:28 GMT -5
I agree. Emily, I have to admit, I don't know much about you either. (feel free to share about yourself, but you don't have to) I'm open to answering questions about what I believe to the best of my ability. emily, do you believe in OSAS and/or the pretrib rapture, and if so why? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 17:17:05 GMT -5
Yes, because of Scriptures I have read.
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 17:28:17 GMT -5
Yes, because of Scriptures I have read. I simply do not believe your reason for your beliefs. Neither of OSAS or the pretrib rapture could be believed by study of the scriptures. The only way you could believe these false teachings is if you had been taught them, which is exactly what the O.P. was trying to convey. People believe their doctrinal teachings over God's word making God's word of no effect. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 17:33:29 GMT -5
okies.
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 17:44:10 GMT -5
So are saying that you read the N.T. and came up with these doctrines yourself, or do you admit that they were taught to by people that you assumed knew what they were talking about? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 17:56:50 GMT -5
I read them myself in church.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2009 18:13:27 GMT -5
So you would have us believe that God was talking about "you" specifically when He said that? What you believe is irrelevant, if I believe it then I must obey it, so as to not have your blood on my hands. Your belief in my relationship with God means absolutely nothing. If it's irrelevant, why did you feel impelled to post it then so that we could know it? I don't understand. You make this incredible claim (that God chose you specifically to be this Watchman mentioned in the OT) and now, it doesn't matter? It upsets you that we question this incredible claim that God was talking to you directly in this passage written thousands of years ago? Again, if it doesn't matter, why would you go out of your way to try to prove it using a scripture? And, is you name in that scripture where God singles you out? If it is, I didn't see it. |
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 10, 2009 18:28:25 GMT -5
In defense of emily,
I don't think she considers herself "a dedicated believer in the pretrib....."
I'm pretty sure she considers herself a dedicated believer in the Lord Jesus.
Even though I don't personally believe that everyone is "OSAS" I agree with Emily that it CAN be found in Scripture just as much as the opposite view can. It's basically your word against hers.
That's why I don't believe in personal interpretation of scripture.
But I can tell you from experience, Ezekiel, that most people that believe in OSAS believe it because they love Jesus so much that they don't ever want to be separated from Him.
(People that might use it as an excuse to do whatever they want usually don't care about theology anyway, and probably wouldn't bother going on Church web sites)
teresa
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 10, 2009 18:31:44 GMT -5
good post, teresa. I don't really consider myself hard-core anything besides hard-core in love with Jesus and His Word.
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Post by teresahrc on Apr 10, 2009 18:40:01 GMT -5
;D Hi five comin at ya Emily
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2009 19:03:06 GMT -5
good post, teresa. I don't really consider myself hard-core anything besides hard-core in love with Jesus and His Word. Beautiful sentiment. If we are wrong because of loving Jesus, then I'm sure Jesus would forgive us. It's our hearts (not just our actions) that Jesus judges. Remember the Good Thief on the cross with Jesus? He wasn't baptized in water (one of Jesus' requirements), he didn't eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, but Jesus granted him mercy. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 10, 2009 20:46:00 GMT -5
I love to see everyone respecting each other! Aww!
Also, each one of us could be wrong, yet we have faith in what we believe and Jesus knows this and will forgive those who are wrong.
Also Happy Easter everyone!
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Post by ezekiel33 on Apr 10, 2009 22:48:40 GMT -5
What you believe is irrelevant, if I believe it then I must obey it, so as to not have your blood on my hands. Your belief in my relationship with God means absolutely nothing. If it's irrelevant, why did you feel impelled to post it then so that we could know it? I don't understand. You make this incredible claim (that God chose you specifically to be this Watchman mentioned in the OT) and now, it doesn't matter? It upsets you that we question this incredible claim that God was talking to you directly in this passage written thousands of years ago? Again, if it doesn't matter, why would you go out of your way to try to prove it using a scripture? And, is you name in that scripture where God singles you out? If it is, I didn't see it. My only point is I do not judge any individual, their fruit will be tested before God. What I must do is be obedient to what God has told me to do. Whether you believe God has told me to do it is irrelevant to me and my relationship with God, however if I disobey God then that would be of relevance to our relationship. |
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