Eve to Mary...

[jacee]

And back to topic....

It is the man who bears the responsiblity of being the glory of God....the woman is the glory of man. The comparison in scripture is Adam to Jesus not Mary to Eve.

What would Mary say to us?

Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

[knuckle]

Hey Sis--------------

Did Annie Oakley start a thread?I couldn't find it.

much love------------knuckle

[jacee]

Not sure about a thread, but I saw guns blasting in posts. lol

[Cepha]

jacee said:

Ok my whole point in bringing this up is to show how we can make strange doctrines out of theory....and is why we need to stick to scripture. God breathed word....

With this in mind is scripture:

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

There was a conception in her womb.
G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

Was according to what we would call a natural birth, being that there was a mother, and a father. How Holy Spirit did this in immaterial or He would of explained it to us. So we take this on faith.

So who or what kind of human was Mary?

It is not in the scriptures that she was full of grace. The account with Gabriel is in Luke.

Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

I looked in every bible even the one with the apopcrypha. Not there...so I went to the greek.

Luk 1:28


Who is full of grace?

Joh 1:14 And2532 the3588 Word3056 was made1096 flesh,4561 and2532 dwelt4637 among1722 us,2254 (and2532 we beheld2300 his846 glory,1391 the glory1391 as5613 of the only begotten3439 of3844 the Father,)3962 full4134 of grace5485 and2532 truth.225

G5485
χάρις
charis
khar'-ece
From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

Action of Holy Spirit upon the heart. That comes with the new birth.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


so easy even one severely retarded can understand, believe and receive. The key though is are we willing to put away all our thoughts about this and just believe and receive?

What babe can do this? What newborn babe can make a decision to believe and receive?

A child which would die before baptism is already covered by blood shed. A one time event never needed to be repeated.

Water comes after this new birth.

What "Greek" are you using?
Modern or Koine?
You do know that the Bible wasn't written in Modern Greek right?

Also, why isn't English acceptable to you?

If you really want to be literal about a translation of what was said, you wouldn't go to what was written, but to what was actually said. In order for you to be "literal" you'd have to go to Aramaic (not Greek...modern or otherwise).

In short, to be "full of grace" is to be sinless.
One cannot be in God's grace while being a sinner.
Period.
So, Mary was called sinless and thus, in God's favor.

Really, one doesn't have to transcend languages to figure that one out.

Full of grace literally means full of God's favor...being pleasing to God. No sinner can be pleasing to God. Only a sinless person can be pleasing to God 100%...therefore, the term "full". Not 50% or 73% or even 98%, but 100%. "Full" of God's favor.

The primitive Bible uses the term "full of grace".

Both mean the same thing...sinless.

Jesus was full of grace.
So was Saint Stephen in the book of Acts.
As well as others who had their sin removed from them.

But most modern translations don't use the term "Full of grace."

The ArchAngel Garbriel literally calls Mary the "favoured one" of God;

Luke 1:28
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."

King James Bible
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

World English Bible
Having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, you highly favored one! The Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women!"

American King James Version
And the angel came in to her, and said, Hail, you that are highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women.

American Standard Version
And he came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee.

Bible in Basic English
And the angel came in to her and said, Peace be with you, to whom special grace has been given; the Lord is with you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Darby Bible Translation
And the angel came in to her, and said, Hail, thou favoured one! the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou amongst women.

English Revised Version
And he came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, "You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you."

Tyndale New Testament
And the angel went in unto her, and said: Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Weymouth New Testament
So Gabriel went into the house and said to her, "Joy be to you, favoured one! the Lord is with you."

Webster's Bible Translation
And the angel came to her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Young's Literal Translation
And the messenger having come in unto her, said, 'Hail, favoured one, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women;'

[Cepha]

jacee said:

And back to topic....

It is the man who bears the responsiblity of being the glory of God....the woman is the glory of man. The comparison in scripture is Adam to Jesus not Mary to Eve.

What would Mary say to us?

Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

How do you know she would say that and not this:

Luke 1
46
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
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And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
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For he hath looked upon the low estate of his handmaid: For behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
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For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; And holy is his name.