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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:24:10 GMT -5
uh huh. Well, I'll believe the BIble when God promises the nation of Israel that land  They will get it....just a matter of time. Show me "that" in The Bible... |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:26:10 GMT -5
The Koran is proof that Islam calls Jesus a liar. I'm not saying they literally go around quoting "Jesus is a liar", but the Koran totally twists who Jesus is and puts words in his mouth that he never said. I don't blame Muslims for that, it's not their fault. There may be some good in Islam (modestly, charity, etc. ) but watchman is right, Islam is blatantly anti-christ. You know better than that Teresa...show me in The Koran where it states that Jesus is a liar. Jesus said in the N.T. that He was Messiah. The Koran says that He is not matter of fact Muslim say that Jesus never made that claim at all not even in the N.T. writings. So if Jesus says He was Messiah and the Koran says He is not, is that not calling Jesus a liar? |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:27:31 GMT -5
And that's how they feel about us too. I've met Muslims who are most Christlike than the biggest Bible-thumping Christians (both Cath and Prots). They were good, decent moral people while the Bible thumpers were straight up sinners to the core. Do you believe God would condemn The Good Muslim? (I don't have to ask you about the sinful Christian, because I know you know they'd go to hell) Of course He is going to condemn them. Do they not deny Jesus is the Christ? Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
1st John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. According to scripture Muslims are anti christ, for denying that Jesus is Messiah. Yes, they will be condemned no matter how good you claim they are. By the way those Bible thumping sinners who claim Christ but denying Him with their deeds they will be condemned as well. Do you have no response for this post? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:28:17 GMT -5
Hey, I was just countering someone's belief that Jews are automatically saved even though they reject Christ. So, what do you think Paul meant when he used the word "sanctified" in 1 Cor 7:14 and why are you avoiding answering that question?  I already told you I am not 100% sure what he meant but I am 100% of what he didn't mean and what He didn't mean is that someone is saved because their spouse accepts Christ. Should we keep these discussion in the forums they belong? The muslims will be condemned for denying Christ. And I already told you, negative evidence is not evidence. "It don't mean that..." is not a defense. You have to be able to prove what you say, not just say it "just because". And you don't have to believe that unbelieving spouses are made "holy" by their believing spouse even though The Holy Bible states that and we all know (at least Christians) that God wouldn't deny a holy person their place in Heaven. Do you believe God would deny a holy person a place in heaven? Yes? No? (the definitions of holy with regards to persons) holy –adjective 3. saintly; godly; pious; devout: a holy life. 4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love. holy
Synonyms: angelic, believing, blessed, chaste, clean, consecrated, dedicated, devoted, devotional, devout, divine, faithful, faultless, glorified, god-fearing, godlike, godly, good, hallowed, humble, immaculate, innocent, just, messianic, moral, perfect, pietistic, pious, prayerful, pure, revered, reverent, righteous, sacrosanct, sainted, saintlike, saintly, sanctified, seraphic, spiritual, spotless, sublime, uncorrupt, undefiled, untainted, unworldly, upright, venerable, venerated, virtuous |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:31:34 GMT -5
Take this discussion to the other thread please. I will state this, I have answered your question 2 or 3 time now, if you didn't get , the answer is I am not sure. However to believe that one spouse can be saved on the beliefs of the other is anti biblical and not the meaning of 1st Cor 7:14.
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:32:13 GMT -5
And that's how they feel about us too. I've met Muslims who are most Christlike than the biggest Bible-thumping Christians (both Cath and Prots). They were good, decent moral people while the Bible thumpers were straight up sinners to the core. Do you believe God would condemn The Good Muslim? (I don't have to ask you about the sinful Christian, because I know you know they'd go to hell) Of course He is going to condemn them. Do they not deny Jesus is the Christ? Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
1st John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. According to scripture Muslims are anti christ, for denying that Jesus is Messiah. Yes, they will be condemned no matter how good you claim they are. By the way those Bible thumping sinners who claim Christ but denying Him with their deeds they will be condemned as well. Do you have no response for this post? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 12:33:09 GMT -5
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S: And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.
Cepha, did Jesus ever say that there would be a prophet after Him called "Ahmad" (Mohammad)?
This is one example
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:33:20 GMT -5
Of course He is going to condemn them. Do they not deny Jesus is the Christ? Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
1st John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. According to scripture Muslims are anti christ, for denying that Jesus is Messiah. Yes, they will be condemned no matter how good you claim they are. By the way those Bible thumping sinners who claim Christ but denying Him with their deeds they will be condemned as well. Do you have no response for this post? You will never get an answer from me until you tell me what Paul meant when he used the word "sanctified" in 1 Corinthians 7:14! It's a 2 way street! It's not all you, you, you! You want an answer? You have to answer questions! Now, what did Paul mean when he said " sanctified"? When you can answer that question, then I will answer yours! (I know you know what he meant, but you won't dare say it because you know I'm going to pounce all over you like a cat does to a mouse! LOL!) You're on a roll here...you insult me (again), you lied about scriptures that never existed in The Holy Bible, you failed to define how Saint Paul uses the word "sanctified", and you lied about The Holy Father (The Pope) and what he said about President Obama speaking at Notre Dame. Keep it up. That's a great foundation for anybody to believe anything you have to say (not). ;D |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:34:43 GMT -5
The fact is you know that anyone that denies Jesus is the Christ will be condemned, that includes Jews, Muslims, and the spouses of Christians.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 12:35:37 GMT -5
I agree with watchman...until its proven untrue
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:36:00 GMT -5
061.006 As Saff Y : And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "This is evident sorcery!"
P: And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.
S: And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.Cepha, did Jesus ever say that there would be a prophet after Him called "Ahmad" (Mohammad)? This is one example What does this have to do with what I asked you? Show me where The Koran called Jesus a liar. That is the proof I asked of you, remember? Come on, chapter and verse: "Jesus was a liar." Doesn't have to be in those exact words, but it has to say that Jesus lied literally.  |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:37:38 GMT -5
Take this discussion to the other thread please. I will state this, I have answered your question 2 or 3 time now, if you didn't get , the answer is I am not sure. However to believe that one spouse can be saved on the beliefs of the other is anti biblical and not the meaning of 1st Cor 7:14. No, you said "you don't know". That is "your" answer, but not "the" answer. LOL! And I'm going to ride you everywhere you post because you insulted me and lied about The Pope. Matter of fact, I might just make your lie about The Pope my signature to remind this board from where you speak. And I'll give you one guess who is the author of lies (and it surely ain't Jesus Christ).  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on May 21, 2009 12:38:12 GMT -5
well if the Koran is of the TRUTH, then why dont you worship from it, instead of your Bible?
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:38:35 GMT -5
Of course He is going to condemn them. Do they not deny Jesus is the Christ? Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
1st John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. According to scripture Muslims are anti christ, for denying that Jesus is Messiah. Yes, they will be condemned no matter how good you claim they are. By the way those Bible thumping sinners who claim Christ but denying Him with their deeds they will be condemned as well. Do you have no response for this post? I have responses for all your posts, but you'll never get them until you answer what Paul meant when he used the word " sanctified" in 1 Corinthians 7:14! LOL! |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:39:20 GMT -5
I did not lie about the pope. Nor do I care what you accuse me of. Make it your signature. Your mad because no one accepts your false teaching on the sanctification of the spouse.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:39:49 GMT -5
The fact is you know that anyone that denies Jesus is the Christ will be condemned, that includes Jews, Muslims, and the spouses of Christians. Even newborn babies that die without being baptized?  |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:40:30 GMT -5
I agree with watchman...until its proven untrue Until "what's" proven? Oh, and what did you priest say about 1 cor 7:14? ;D |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:41:17 GMT -5
well if the Koran is of the TRUTH, then why dont you worship from it, instead of your Bible? Is that to me? I never said it was "of the TRUTH". Don't put words in my mouth about The Book that The Pope kissed! ;D |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:43:14 GMT -5
well if the Koran is of the TRUTH, then why dont you worship from it, instead of your Bible? Is that to me? I never said it was "of the TRUTH". Don't put words in my mouth about The Book that The Pope kissed! ;D Whaaaat? ? The Pope kissed the Koran? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 12:44:16 GMT -5
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Y: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-(An Nisa)
Jesus said,
17 Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 "We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!" (Matthew 20)
So, do you believe Jesus or the Koran? The Koran says Jesus wasn't crucified. Jesus said he was.
What is your definition of a liar?
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They will get it....just a matter of time.
