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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:01:56 GMT -5
You are an anti-Semite and yet you have the nerve to accuse me of being a racist (although to a certain extent I will admit that I am). Have the guts to admit it. How do Jews persecuting Jesus Christ make me an Anti-Semite? I just stated a fact. They persecuted Jesus, they rejected Him and God punished them for it. Prove to me how I'm an Anti-Semite. I'm definitely Anti-Anti-Christians. If Jews happen to be against Jesus Christ, I'm against them. So if that's your definition, then yes, I am against those who call Jesus a liar. What would boggle me is how a person who considers themselves a Christian could defend those who are against Jesus Christ actively rejecting Him (even The Muslims don't do that).  |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:04:48 GMT -5
Why is the population of Christians so small? Most of them have fled. Bethlehem is a small city, but I have personally met many Christians from Bethlehem who have left. Even so, there are still 27,000 Christians in Bethlehem (pop. is 50, 000) and they are basically imprisoned there because of the massive wall built by Israel's Government. Listen, we are called to be peacemakers, period. We know that there will never really be "peace on earth" until Jesus returns, but that does not excuse us from working and praying for peace. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers(Galatians 6) I don't care if there are only 2 Christians in Palestine, we are supposed to help them. We are also supposed to help anyone that is being oppressed. I'm glad that the Pope is speaking out. Why aren't more Christians helping their brothers and sisters in the Holy Land? crs-blog.org/bethlehem-jerusalem/peace teresa Iran and Israel are on the brink of a nuclear war and you are concerned about a Palestinian state? In the past Israel has given up land to the Arabs and it hasn't brought peace. They should give all that land up to The Palestinians. It's theirs. God scattered them from the land for a reason. They live in a state of evil over there with all the gayness that legally tolerated. They murder innocent children. God doesn't approve of that. They lie. They steal. Their dishonest (I'm saying this based on their policies as a nation, not for every individual there). Accept God's judgement. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:09:34 GMT -5
Iran and Israel are on the brink of a nuclear war and you are concerned about a Palestinian state? In the past Israel has given up land to the Arabs and it hasn't brought peace. Anyway, we don't have to worry about that. Remember? We have a Muslim President now! And he talked to Iran's President and Iran's President said that he's now ready to recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation. Where do you get that their on the brink of Nuclear War from? Their getting ready to have peace talks. Even Israel's Prime Minister and President state that they agree with President Barack Hussein's plan. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 11:38:39 GMT -5
LOL! I think we both woke up on the argumentative side of the bed today.
But, didn't you just say in another thread that you would rather marry a devout Muslim than a Protestant?
Would calling "Jesus a liar" include saying that He was never really crucified? (pretty important doctrine) He sure got upset with St. Peter when he said "this shall never happen to you".
The Muslim's "Holy Book" says that Jesus wasn't crucified, but Judas was. If that's not anti-Christian, what is?
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:45:55 GMT -5
LOL! I think we both woke up on the argumentative side of the bed today. But, didn't you just say in another thread that you would rather marry a devout Muslim than a Protestant? Would calling "Jesus a liar" include saying that He was never really crucified? (pretty important doctrine) He sure got upset with St. Peter when he said "this shall never happen to you". The Muslim's "Holy Book" says that Jesus wasn't crucified, but Judas was. If that's not anti-Christian, what is? Muslims don't call Jesus a liar. They believe Christians have been told that Jesus said He was The Messiah. Big difference. Do you have any proof that they literally called Jesus a liar? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 11:53:03 GMT -5
The Koran is the proof.
I never said it was their own individual fault though
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:56:39 GMT -5
The Koran is the proof. I never said it was their own individual fault though And that's how they feel about us too. I've met Muslims who are most Christlike than the biggest Bible-thumping Christians (both Cath and Prots). They were good, decent moral people while the Bible thumpers were straight up sinners to the core. Do you believe God would condemn The Good Muslim? (I don't have to ask you about the sinful Christian, because I know you know they'd go to hell) |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 11:57:18 GMT -5
The Koran is the proof. I never said it was their own individual fault though I'm sorry, proof of what? |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:05:50 GMT -5
Iran and Israel are on the brink of a nuclear war and you are concerned about a Palestinian state? In the past Israel has given up land to the Arabs and it hasn't brought peace. They should give all that land up to The Palestinians. It's theirs. God scattered them from the land for a reason. They live in a state of evil over there with all the gayness that legally tolerated. They murder innocent children. God doesn't approve of that. They lie. They steal. Their dishonest (I'm saying this based on their policies as a nation, not for every individual there). Accept God's judgement. We as Americans better look in the mirror before we start pointing the finger at any other nation. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 12:09:21 GMT -5
So...I still didn't get a verse that states that Jews are banished from their promised land because they reject Christ.....
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:13:55 GMT -5
The Koran is the proof. I never said it was their own individual fault though And that's how they feel about us too. I've met Muslims who are most Christlike than the biggest Bible-thumping Christians (both Cath and Prots). They were good, decent moral people while the Bible thumpers were straight up sinners to the core. Do you believe God would condemn The Good Muslim? (I don't have to ask you about the sinful Christian, because I know you know they'd go to hell) Of course He is going to condemn them. Do they not deny Jesus is the Christ? Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. According to scripture Muslims are anti christ, for denying that Jesus is Messiah. Yes, they will be condemned no matter how good you claim they are. By the way those Bible thumping sinners who claim Christ but denying Him with their deeds they will be condemned as well. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -5
Yes, for sure.
And shouldn't we give the land back to the Native Americans? (seriously)
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 12:15:18 GMT -5
Yes, for sure. And shouldn't we give the land back to the Native Americans? (seriously) Yes!!! Or at least get them off those awful "reservations". |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:17:02 GMT -5
They should give all that land up to The Palestinians. It's theirs. God scattered them from the land for a reason. They live in a state of evil over there with all the gayness that legally tolerated. They murder innocent children. God doesn't approve of that. They lie. They steal. Their dishonest (I'm saying this based on their policies as a nation, not for every individual there). Accept God's judgement. We as Americans better look in the mirror before we start pointing the finger at any other nation. Hey, I was just countering someone's belief that Jews are automatically saved even though they reject Christ. So, what do you think Paul meant when he used the word "sanctified" in 1 Cor 7:14 and why are you avoiding answering that question? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 12:19:16 GMT -5
The Koran is proof that Islam calls Jesus a liar.
I'm not saying they literally go around quoting "Jesus is a liar", but the Koran totally twists who Jesus is and puts words in his mouth that he never said.
I don't blame Muslims for that, it's not their fault. There may be some good in Islam (modestly, charity, etc. ) but watchman is right, Islam is blatantly anti-christ.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:20:11 GMT -5
So...I still didn't get a verse that states that Jews are banished from their promised land because they reject Christ..... Oh, I never said that. The Romans destroyed The Temple in 70 AD (coincidentally just when the population of Christians went from being overwhelmingly Jewish to overwhelmingly Gentile). If The Jews weren't driven out from there, they would've been in power in Israel "before" The British gave it back to them in the late 60's. Remember, from 70 AD until the late 1960's, The Jews didn't control Israel and they didn't have any military success over Palestinians. It was Great Britian that gave it back to them. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:21:49 GMT -5
Yes, for sure. And shouldn't we give the land back to the Native Americans? (seriously) Yes!!! Or at least get them off those awful "reservations". Amen to that. And just as The Native Americans are native to America, the Palestinians are native to Palestine and the Europeans who are religious converts to Judaism should not be allowed to populate Palestinian lands. |
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Post by emily445455 on May 21, 2009 12:22:06 GMT -5
uh huh. Well, I'll believe the BIble when God promises the nation of Israel that land  They will get it....just a matter of time. |
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 12:22:07 GMT -5
We as Americans better look in the mirror before we start pointing the finger at any other nation. Hey, I was just countering someone's belief that Jews are automatically saved even though they reject Christ. So, what do you think Paul meant when he used the word "sanctified" in 1 Cor 7:14 and why are you avoiding answering that question? I already told you I am not 100% sure what he meant but I am 100% of what he didn't mean and what He didn't mean is that someone is saved because their spouse accepts Christ. Should we keep these discussion in the forums they belong? The muslims will be condemned for denying Christ. |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 12:23:33 GMT -5
The Koran is proof that Islam calls Jesus a liar. I'm not saying they literally go around quoting "Jesus is a liar", but the Koran totally twists who Jesus is and puts words in his mouth that he never said. I don't blame Muslims for that, it's not their fault. There may be some good in Islam (modestly, charity, etc. ) but watchman is right, Islam is blatantly anti-christ. You know better than that Teresa...show me in The Koran where it states that Jesus is a liar. If you can't then you should retract that statement the same way that Watchman should take back the lie he said that The Pope spoke out against Notre Dame having President Obama speaking there. |
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They will get it....just a matter of time.