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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:04:09 GMT -5
Not only that but you are the enemy of God. Whosoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. Do you not think Muslims are of the world? Of course they are so by befriending them you have turned your back on God.
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:06:42 GMT -5
You are up in arms because you think I lied on the pope but you believe Jesus is a liar. You claim that one can get into heaven on the coat tails of their spouse, but Jesus said that we must believe and be baptized. Anyone who does not believe will be damned. You call Jesus a liar. So I do not mind if you claim I am one.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:08:04 GMT -5
LOL! I think we both woke up on the argumentative side of the bed today. But, didn't you just say in another thread that you would rather marry a devout Muslim than a Protestant? Would calling "Jesus a liar" include saying that He was never really crucified? (pretty important doctrine) He sure got upset with St. Peter when he said "this shall never happen to you". The Muslim's "Holy Book" says that Jesus wasn't crucified, but Judas was. If that's not anti-Christian, what is? This was what I said. If the Koran says that Jesus wasn't crucifed, but Jesus said He was, how is that not calling Him a liar? What if I said "Cepha said my mom is fat" but you didn't(you better not) How is that not calling you a liar? I'm not arguing any of that...those are diversions. You said that The Koran said that Jesus was a liar. If this is the truth, that the Koran said (not that you conjectured this) Jesus is a lier, show me the actual verse that Jesus said Jesus is a liar? It's so simple. Ask me to show you where it states that Mary is called the mother of all Christians? (now watch this...) Revelation 12:17 Now, you do the same and show me the chapter and verse that says that "Jesus is a liar." Period. If you cannot show me a verse that says that, then you cannot say that The Koran called Jesus a liar. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:08:50 GMT -5
watchman, do you think it is wrong to "befriend" a Muslim?
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:09:20 GMT -5
If the Koran contradicts Christ then it is saying that Jesus lied.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:11:27 GMT -5
She did not post it "directly" Thank you CC. That's all I requested. If one is going to say something, prove it. Like me, I proved that Watchman lied. I stated it, then I proved. If someone is going to say that someone called Jesus a liar, they should post proof. In all those so-called "proofs" (and really, it only needed one verse if it was true), not one of them said "Jesus lied". Not one. You won't find that in The Koran. |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:11:53 GMT -5
I showed you the verses.
You are just delusional now.
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:12:19 GMT -5
watchman, do you think it is wrong to "befriend" a Muslim? Yes and no. We should love and be kind to all people but to befriend is a different story. Scripture tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. 2nd Cor 6
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:12:27 GMT -5
Is that to me? I never said it was "of the TRUTH". Don't put words in my mouth about The Book that The Pope kissed! ;D Well, you are arguing that the Koran did not lie...aka FALSE, therefore leaving the only conclusion that you think it is true.... Negative CC. You won't find any of my words ever saying that. That is you "misconcluding" based on your own decisions, but not my words. ;D |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:15:03 GMT -5
Hum...
Rev:12: 17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
I'm not seeing the quote "Mary is called the mother of all Christians".
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:15:42 GMT -5
I showed you the verses. You are just delusional now. Really? You showed me a verse that said "Jesus Christ is a liar"? If you did, I will apologize completely. Pah-leeze, re-post the verse that states that "Jesus Christ is a liar." in The Koran. Please. (instead of just saying you did) |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:17:44 GMT -5
Watchman, I don't think we should be "best friends" with them, but didn't Jesus "eat and drink" with sinners? You have to be their friends at least somewhat in order to share the gospel.
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:18:44 GMT -5
Hum... Rev:12: 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. I'm not seeing the quote "Mary is called the mother of all Christians". Because you aren't familiar with Rev 12. The woman mentioned here is the one who gave birth to Jesus Christ. Those who hold fast to their testimony about Jesus are Christians. Christians are the children of the woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ. It literally says this. What does the word "offspring" mean to you if not children?  Do you think that someone else gave birth to Jesus Christ? Do you think that non-Christians hold fast to their testimony about Jesus? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:19:22 GMT -5
Watchman, I don't think we should be "best friends" with them, but didn't Jesus "eat and drink" with sinners? You have to be their friends at least somewhat in order to share the gospel. You better love them (according to Jesus Christ).  |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:19:46 GMT -5
I never said that I was going to provide a direct quote.
You didn't provide a direct quote that "Mary is called the Mother of all Christians" !
Was the real Cepha kidnapped by Aliens last night or what?
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Post by watchman on May 21, 2009 13:20:51 GMT -5
Watchman, I don't think we should be "best friends" with them, but didn't Jesus "eat and drink" with sinners? You have to be their friends at least somewhat in order to share the gospel. I agree we must be friendly, and loving to all (including cepha, lol) so that we can reflect the light of Christ in a wicked world. If salt has lost its savor what is it good for? |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:21:29 GMT -5
Hum... Rev:12: 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. I'm not seeing the quote "Mary is called the mother of all Christians". Because you aren't familiar with Rev 12. The woman mentioned here is the one who gave birth to Jesus Christ. Those who hold fast to their testimony about Jesus are Christians. Christians are the children of the woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ. It literally says this. What does the word "offspring" mean to you if not children? Do you think that someone else gave birth to Jesus Christ? Do you think that non-Christians hold fast to their testimony about Jesus? LOL!!!!!!! So "simple" huh? Why don't you just post a direct quote that says "Mary is called the Mother of all Christians"? LOL |
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Post by teresahrc on May 21, 2009 13:24:14 GMT -5
27 At her feet he sank,
he fell; there he lay.
At her feet he sank, he fell;
where he sank, there he fell—dead
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:29:50 GMT -5
You have me confused with someone else. Taunts and false accusations will not run me off. Really? Now you're accusing me of falsely accusing you? Where? You did say that The Pope spoke out against President Obama speaking at Notre Dame. You called it "the truth". It was an absolute lie (and it was proven so, not only by me, but by a non-Catholic). So, that "lie" of yours can't be where I falsely accused you. Since it's not that "lie" of yours, which one is it that you make this false allegation against me? Prove it... Since when did posting your lie with the proof that you lied a "tactic"? Hey, you have every power to post where I lied as I do. What I did when I posted your lie followed by the proof that you lied can be done by anyone here. How is that abusing my authority? And, I won't have to get rid of you. You'll get rid of yourself. You already broke the 1 rule we have (when you insulted me calling my comments "ingorant" among other things). I could've banned you a long time ago. But I didn't...you're like a moth to a flame. You get burned, but you can't help coming back. And I thoroughly enjoy exposing how Anti-Catholics are unreasonable and how they cannot support their beliefs. I love it. Your text will live in my quote boxes forever even after your gone on to the next forum. You've no idea how much you are helping me prove my point (that one has to completely abandon reason to be an Anti-Catholic). You're breaking. Little by little, you're resorting to your old ways of insulting and of running when evidence is requested of you and of trying to change the focus of the topic when your cornered. And I'm loving (and smiling) every minute of it. I bet I'll have you violating the rule at least one more time before the month is up! LOL! I know exactly what to say to push your buttons (like I did the last time), but I've been digressing from my old ways. I find it's much better when I just let you talk. All I do is give you the rope and you know exactly what to do with it even if you don't know you're actually doing it. LOL! Why did you lie about The Pope? |
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Post by Cepha on May 21, 2009 13:31:33 GMT -5
I never said that I was going to provide a direct quote. You didn't provide a direct quote that "Mary is called the Mother of all Christians" ! Was the real Cepha kidnapped by Aliens last night or what? Woah! The Bible clearly states that the woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ's offspring are those who hold to their testimony of Jesus, and you're saying that that's not "direct"?  And! Aliens kidnapt me everynight. I have no problem with that! What, are you Anti-Alien now? LOL! |
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