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Post by Cepha on Jun 5, 2009 10:09:02 GMT -5
Yes I have many of them including Hebrews 13:4, admit your defeat you are embarrassing yourself. Do you have no shame? I have absolutely NO shame whatsoever. I guess that means that you are not going to directly respond to the requests for scripture stating that The Law was done away with, huh? Or that bodily discharges outside of a woman are now deemed "clean" in scripture, huh? And how can I be defeated when it was you who made a claim, but didn't post the scripture proving it?  I know you want this to go away, but it won't. ;D |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 5, 2009 10:14:46 GMT -5
That scripture doesn't mention incomplete acts of sex. But wait a minute, if I remember correctly, aren't you the same guy who believes that sodomy is honorable as long as the couple engaged in it are married? Was that you who said that? Once again I do not practice sodomy with my wife but God says...... Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.I wonder do you know the definitions of ALL or UNDEFILED? all /ɔl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [awl] Show IPA –adjective 1. the whole of (used in referring to quantity, extent, or duration): all the cake; all the way; all year. 2. the whole number of (used in referring to individuals or particulars, taken collectively): all students. 3. the greatest possible (used in referring to quality or degree): with all due respect; with all speed. 4. every: all kinds; all sorts. 5. any; any whatever: beyond all doubt. 6. nothing but; only: The coat is all wool. 7. dominated by or as if by the conspicuous possession or use of a particular feature: The colt was all legs. They were all ears, listening attentively to everything she said. 8. Chiefly Pennsylvania German. all gone; consumed; finished: The pie is all. –pronoun 9. the whole quantity or amount: He ate all of the peanuts. All are gone. 10. the whole number; every one: all of us. 11. everything: Is that all you want to say? All is lost. –noun 12. one's whole interest, energy, or property: to give one's all; to lose one's all. 13. (often initial capital letter) the entire universe. –adverb 14. wholly; entirely; completely: all alone. 15. only; exclusively: He spent his income all on pleasure. 16. each; apiece: The score was one all. 17. Archaic. even; just. undefiled c.1300, undefylde, from un- (1) "not" + pp. of defile (v.). Originally of morals; sexual sense is attested from c.1450. Physical sense of "not made dirty" is from 1590. Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper Cite This Source Explore the Visual Thesaurus » Related Words for : undefiled immaculate, uncorrupted So marriage in ALL thing is not dirty or uncorrupted. Remember I didn't say it. The HOLY BIBLE does. Your argument is not with me it is with God. Yeah! It was you who stated that "sodomy" is okay as long as the two involved in sodomizing each other are married! And, no where in The Bible does it say that sodomy is allowable simply because two people get married. The reason sodomy is wrong is not because people weren't married when they were doing it, but because it is unnatural sex. Homosexuals are precisely denounced for this literally...wait a minute! Speaking of homosexuals! So, what you're saying is that marriage allows anything in bed. If two men or two women get married, then it's ok? Or is what was "not" allowed before not applicable to this particular example? |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 12:46:36 GMT -5
Yep you are clueless, you can't even comprehend ALL is UNDEFILED in the marriage bed.
You are arguing with God not me.
Just admit your defeat and move on.
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 12:49:21 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is that marriage allows anything in bed. If two men or two women get married, then it's ok? Or is what was "not" allowed before not applicable to this particular example? Marriage is between one man and one woman, you and I both know that so your ''example'' is impossible, regardless of what laws any particular country makes, God will never reconize a marriage between two men or two women as legitimate |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 5, 2009 13:22:28 GMT -5
Never read that in the Bible.
I did read the command that we are supposed to KEEP the marriage bed undefiled.
Using birth control that could actually abort the child to be conceived (the pill, IUD, any hormone or drugs) is certainly a defilement.
All Birth control was universally accepted by all Christians as being wicked until a little more than 100 years ago.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 5, 2009 13:28:53 GMT -5
Never read that in the Bible. I did read the command that we are supposed to KEEP the marriage bed undefiled. Using birth control that could actually abort the child to be conceived (the pill, IUD, any hormone or drugs) is certainly a defilement. All Birth control was universally accepted by all Christians as being wicked until a little more than 100 years ago. He thinks that "anything" can be done physically in a bed where the two participants are married. So Sodomy is okay in God's eyes without question. So is masterbation. So is the use of sexual impliments. So is role playing. So is a man being himself "entered" by a woman. Again, he believes that when the Bible says anything, it means anything.  As long as the two people engaged in the activity are married.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 5, 2009 19:31:58 GMT -5
Ok... i have one thing to say!
Any of you MEN on this board that DENIE masterbating, are BOLD FACE LIEING! Men have to, if they dont get it from a woman, medical evidence shows that it is harmful if they dont! HA
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 5, 2009 19:38:39 GMT -5
Marcie...it is definitly not necessary. My husband doesn't. He doesn't need to, but even if I couldn't make love to him ever again he knows it is wrong and what I would do if he started.
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 19:55:48 GMT -5
Yes I have many of them including Hebrews 13:4, admit your defeat you are embarrassing yourself. Do you have no shame? I have absolutely NO shame whatsoever. I guess that means that you are not going to directly respond to the requests for scripture stating that The Law was done away with, huh? Or that bodily discharges outside of a woman are now deemed "clean" in scripture, huh? And how can I be defeated when it was you who made a claim, but didn't post the scripture proving it? I know you want this to go away, but it won't. ;D I do not care if you keep rambling repeating the same old already proven wrong nonsense. that is completely your call....lol... you are only making yourself look foolish. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 19:58:07 GMT -5
Never read that in the Bible. I did read the command that we are supposed to KEEP the marriage bed undefiled. Using birth control that could actually abort the child to be conceived (the pill, IUD, any hormone or drugs) is certainly a defilement. All Birth control was universally accepted by all Christians as being wicked until a little more than 100 years ago. Birth control is not sa sexual act. further more the Bible say the bed is undefiled not that it needed to be kept undefiled.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 19:59:46 GMT -5
Never read that in the Bible. I did read the command that we are supposed to KEEP the marriage bed undefiled. Using birth control that could actually abort the child to be conceived (the pill, IUD, any hormone or drugs) is certainly a defilement. All Birth control was universally accepted by all Christians as being wicked until a little more than 100 years ago. He thinks that "anything" can be done physically in a bed where the two participants are married. So Sodomy is okay in God's eyes without question. So is masterbation. So is the use of sexual impliments. So is role playing. So is a man being himself "entered" by a woman. Again, he believes that when the Bible says anything, it means anything. As long as the two people engaged in the activity are married. WOW, you have a wild imagination, but I must confess I believe when the Bible says anything it means anything, what else would it mean. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 20:06:48 GMT -5
Ok... i have one thing to say! Any of you MEN on this board that DENIE masterbating, are BOLD FACE LIEING! Men have to, if they dont get it from a woman, medical evidence shows that it is harmful if they dont! HA So what if they do get it from their wife and do not want to masterbate therefore they choose not to? What if a man wants to save himself for his wife? Are you going to call that man a liar without any evidence to the contrary? |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 5, 2009 22:48:19 GMT -5
So then, if babies don't come from sex, where do they come from?!
See, that is the great tragedy of living in this "culture of death", half the time we don't realize that it is rubbing off on us.
Completely separating the natural fruit of sex (children) from the act itself is a defilement. It perverts and distorts God's creation and treats children as a burden and a disease. It literally exalts one's own flesh above God's plan.
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 23:05:04 GMT -5
Yes I have many of them including Hebrews 13:4, admit your defeat you are embarrassing yourself. Do you have no shame? I have absolutely NO shame whatsoever. I guess that means that you are not going to directly respond to the requests for scripture stating that The Law was done away with, huh? I am certainly not bound to it, or by it, but free from it. Romans 7
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 23:07:11 GMT -5
So then, if babies don't come from sex, where do they come from?! See, that is the great tragedy of living in this "culture of death", half the time we don't realize that it is rubbing off on us. Completely separating the natural fruit of sex (children) from the act itself is a defilement. It perverts and distorts God's creation and treats children as a burden and a disease. It literally exalts one's own flesh above God's plan. I do not know what your point to me is supposed to be, but I neither use nor condone birth control |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 5, 2009 23:23:05 GMT -5
But you were defending it.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 6, 2009 0:24:25 GMT -5
Ok... i have one thing to say! Any of you MEN on this board that DENIE masterbating, are BOLD FACE LIEING! Men have to, if they dont get it from a woman, medical evidence shows that it is harmful if they dont! HA So what if they do get it from their wife and do not want to masterbate therefore they choose not to? What if a man wants to save himself for his wife? Are you going to call that man a liar without any evidence to the contrary? IF YOU are getting it as much as your body needs it...then i guess your ok. As for someone who waits till marriage...its kinda like if you have not had it your body does not crave it. But on a biological view, males HAVE to get rid of there sperm some how or their parts will bust prolly. Google it! |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 6, 2009 0:28:20 GMT -5
He thinks that "anything" can be done physically in a bed where the two participants are married. So Sodomy is okay in God's eyes without question. So is masterbation. So is the use of sexual impliments. So is role playing. So is a man being himself "entered" by a woman. Again, he believes that when the Bible says anything, it means anything. As long as the two people engaged in the activity are married. WOW, you have a wild imagination, but I must confess I believe when the Bible says anything it means anything, what else would it mean. I'm sorry?! Excuse my french, but what the HECK!?? Premarital sex not ok but sodomy is ok? Emily should totally call you on that one. I'm so yucked out right now. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 6, 2009 0:31:46 GMT -5
Honey, there is a naturally occuring event that can solve that problem, and I'm sure the men know what that is. And so, please trust me, men CAN be celibate and not have their privates explode.  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 6, 2009 9:39:59 GMT -5
Heather, exactly. Men can be just fine without masterbating...they jsut choose not to be because it's hard to wait or it's fun to do it, etc.
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