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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 19:34:49 GMT -5
Not Israel the person, Israel the nation. The do not care they have their religion. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 5, 2009 19:36:24 GMT -5
Joey, that is why after awhile I just step out of the conversation. Gotta keep our pearls nice and clean  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 5, 2009 19:39:31 GMT -5
Romans says they were "cut off" because of disbelief. But that they are much more easily grafted back in. Right the unbelieving Jew was cut of the good olive tree which is Israel, whos root is Christ, and we were grafted in. Israel are God's chosen people whether that be Jew or Gentile all believers have become citizens with the saint of the commonwealth of Israel. Ephesians 2
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 9:00:22 GMT -5
I don't view the Jew as being bad or evil. Me neither. I just view them as being rejectors of Jesus Christ and according to some Christians, they are damned to hell forever for rejecting Jesus Christ because no one that rejects Jesus Christ could enter Heaven. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 6, 2009 9:24:36 GMT -5
Now men give birth? Israel is the Father of the 12 tribes. The 12 tribes (the descendants of Israel) are also called "Israel". You could say that "Israel" gave birth to the Messiah, and in a way that is true, but that would definitely not be taking Revelation literally. Consistency.. The only woman to give birth to Jesus was Mary. Israel is God's wife, how can you call her a man? Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you:.....
Isaiah 62:5 As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.I never called Israel a man. I said that The Nation of Israel is made up "of" men (and women). And, what does scripture teach about Israel? That she is a barren woman that CANNOT bear children. Right? She will have to be redeemed first before she can bear children and who does the redeeming? The Mercy brought by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Galatians 426But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Here, you have a Jew (Paul) talking to both Jews and Gentiles calling Israel the mother of Jews (which is undeniable), but now, because of what happened "after" Jesus Christ was born and sacficed, now all mankind are the children of "promise" (conditional salvation). This is referring to the prophecy in Isaiah 54. Notice, in The New Jeruselum, it includes both Jews AND Gentiles, so it's impossible for it to be "just" Israel and dont' forget, that Israel has REJECTED Jesus Christ when it crucified Him and even to this day as a Nation, she rejects Jesus Christ. (Revelation 3:12 and 21:2) So, she (Israel) is STILL barren (until all is accomplished and reconciled in the end times). A mother does not reject their son. And The Mother of Jesus Christ certainly wouldn't reject her Son. Jesus could'nt possibly be born of such a tree. But...He could be born of a consecrated virgin who was pure in ever sense...and, as scripture points out, He actually and literally WAS born from such a woman...The Blessed Virgin, Mary, daughter of Joaquim and Ann. Oh yeah, and the woman in Revelation 12 couldn't be Israel. The Nation of Israel couldn't have fled from Jeruselum and still be "in" Jeruselum at the same exact time. That's impossible. That's what the woman in Rev 12 did. Only one woman literally gave birth to Jesus Christ AND fled Jeruselum and left The Nation of Israel behind...  |
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