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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 17:21:20 GMT -5
Where did Jesus go when He died?
Now, some claim it is "Abraham's Bosom" (AB) although there is no actual scriptural evidence that Jesus went there.
Is there Biblical evidence to the contrary that Jesus didn't go to AB?
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 17:46:23 GMT -5
Didnt He go to hell first then heaven to be on the right hand of the Father.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 17:48:46 GMT -5
Didnt He go to hell first then heaven to be on the right hand of the Father. Ahhh...that is the question Em. Is "hell" Abraham's Bosom? Is "Heaven" Abraham's Bosom? If AB is not mentioned anywhere in scripture as the place that Jesus went to, then where does that belief come from? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 18:13:04 GMT -5
From what I understand....hell is where satan is and Lost souls go. Abraham's Bosom is where Jews went before Christ. Heaven is where Jesus and the Father are and where Believers go.
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 20:09:40 GMT -5
From what I understand....hell is where satan is and Lost souls go. Abraham's Bosom is where Jews went before Christ. Heaven is where Jesus and the Father are and where Believers go. This is true emily but cepha's question is where did Jesus go when He died. I will give you three passages of scripture combine them and tell me what you think. Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.So this passage says that Jesus went to the belly of the earth when He died. Luke 16
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. This passage say Abraham's Bosom is right across from Hell (which is in the belly of the earth).
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.This passage says that He was going that day to paradise. So Jesus went to a paradise that was in the belly of the earth....Hmmm I wonder what that was? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 9, 2009 21:13:11 GMT -5
Yeah that's interesting, Joey.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 22:12:19 GMT -5
yeah, interesting.
scissors + glue
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 8:28:18 GMT -5
Yeah that's interesting, Joey. Answer: Jesus went to Heaven. Remember what He said as part of His last words? "...into Your hands I commend My Spirit." He said this to Whom? God, His Father.  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 9:09:28 GMT -5
Well that's where He ultimately went....but He went somewhere else first...looks like Abraham's Bossom.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:31:44 GMT -5
Well that's where He ultimately went....but He went somewhere else first...looks like Abraham's Bossom. "look's like"? Well, since it's not in The Bible, I won't believe that. But what actually "is" in The Bible is Jesus literally saying that He was going to be with The Father within hours at one time on The Cross (meaning that He went to Heaven first).  |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 12:05:24 GMT -5
I just say looks like because I'd have to study it through. But from the verses Joey posted....looks like it to me.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 14:14:21 GMT -5
I just say looks like because I'd have to study it through. But from the verses Joey posted....looks like it to me. Do you know what this thread is about? Proving Purgatory Em. I just had at least one Anti-Catholic and one Non-Catholic Christian (you) say that they believe in something not based on it being spelled out in scripture, but by combining various scriptures to come to believe in something that is never said in The Bible. That goes for The Holy Trinity too. And for The Bible. If one comes to believe in that theory of AB, then they cannot deny the belief in Purgatory. Why? Because the very reasons they use to deny Purgatory can be used to deny AB. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 14:22:54 GMT -5
Of course I combine and compare Scripture....that's what "rightly dividing the word of truth" means.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 12, 2009 15:21:58 GMT -5
When i first read the topic of this thread, my first thought was this...
Someone asks you "Have you found Jesus?" and the proper response... "I never knew he was missing" lol
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 12, 2009 15:43:01 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Jun 13, 2009 8:35:08 GMT -5
When i first read the topic of this thread, my first thought was this... Someone asks you "Have you found Jesus?" and the proper response... "I never knew he was missing" lol I like to think that Jesus has always been there, but we don't see Him until we open our eyes. Reminds me of this: Luke 24 On the Road to Emmaus 13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him.
17He asked them, "What are you discussing together as you walk along?"
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, "Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days?"
19"What things?" he asked.
"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see."
25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus acted as if he were going farther. 29But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them.
30When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 13, 2009 14:17:56 GMT -5
Of course I combine and compare Scripture....that's what "rightly dividing the word of truth" means. Just curious why you think that's what "rightly dividing" means. Also, how do you know that verse applies to everyone, because wasn't it written to a Church Leader (Timothy)? Not everything in the Bible applies to all individuals. Actually, many things were written to specific people or are for specific people. peace |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 13, 2009 18:15:49 GMT -5
Heather, there is another verses that talk about how to read the Bible. God is a good God...He helps us understand how we are to read His Word.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 13, 2009 20:08:55 GMT -5
Yes, He is a good God, but not the author of confusion.
Do you think that everyone who is "saved" and believes in sola scriptura comes up with the same understanding of the Bible?
God is a good God and He didn't build a "Bible" but a Church(the Bible is part of the Church) it is one Church, not a bunch of different contradictory churches.
Jesus gave us His Church and we have to submit to the Church and not our own understanding of scripture. Jesus told the Apostles to go into all the word and teach whatever He commanded.
You can be a Christian without ever even seeing a Bible, but you can't be a Christian without the Church.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 13, 2009 20:27:57 GMT -5
Your last statement almost made me sick. God's Word is Jesus Christ's mind....we see Jesus when we see His Word.
Everyone who is Saved and believes in the Bible will come to the same understanding, yes. The latter part of that statement is the problem though, everyone tries to interpret it by their own understanding instead of using GOd's understanding.
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