Did God know that Man was going to fall?

[teresahrc]

In the Word of God, it states that God formed man to be imperishable.
So, does that mean that God failed, because some Christians believe that God knew man was going to fall?

[Cepha]

Jun 28, 2009 22:29:27 GMT -5 @teresahrc said:

In the Word of God, it states that God formed man to be imperishable.
So, does that mean that God failed, because some Christians believe that God knew man was going to fall?

Wisdom 2:23
For God formed man to be imperishable;
the image of his own nature he made him.

Think about it, if man was formed to be imperishable (to never die),
then how is it that man overrode God's will?

By free choice.

God did not form man knowing that they'd fail.

God is all knowing (present tense), but leaves man up to his/her own will to decide for themselves. That's why while The Pharisees taught one must conform, Jesus taught one to "decide". Big difference.

[teresahrc]

God is so pure and Holy. It doesn't make sense to say that God knew something evil was going to happen. That is saying that "God knew evil" which is completely opposite of what the Bible says.
That's the same lie that the serpent told Eve--that God knew good and evil.


4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Genesis 3

That was what the serpent said. But no where in scripture does it say that God "knew evil".

[emily445455]

If God is all knowing, He knows of evil. He knew lucifer was evil, He knows what evil is.

[teresahrc]

Where in the Bible does it say that Emily?

Satan said that God knew evil, but where does it say that was not a lie?

[emily445455]

Rev 19:6, 1 John 3:20

[Cepha]

Jun 29, 2009 10:18:17 GMT -5 emily445455 said:

Rev 19:6, 1 John 3:20

What's that?

You're supposed to post the scripture too (not just the verse and chapter).

We do it for you.

Just as you can copy and past the chapter and verse, you can also copy and paste the passage, don't you think so?

[teresahrc]

6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev. 19:6

20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
1 John 3:20


om·nip·o·tent (m-np-tnt)
adj.
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at infinite.
n.
1. One having unlimited power or authority: the bureaucratic omnipotents.
2. Omnipotent God. Used with the.



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[emily445455]

heather did it for me Gracias senora.

[teresahrc]

Emily, those verses are about other things.

I'm asking for a verse that says "God knew evil" or "God knows evil".

Omnipotent is not the same as Omniscient.

Where in the Bible does it say that God knows evil?

[emily445455]

If God doesn't know what evil is, He is not omnipotent. He is limited in His knowledge.

[teresahrc]

Again, "omnipotent" means "All powerful" or having "unlimited power or authority".

You are talking about God being Omniscient, which is what most people believe, but the verse you quoted in Rev. said "omnipotent".

The word "omniscient" is not in the Bible.

[emily445455]

Oh, opps...1 John 3:20 then. God knoweth ALL things.

[doxology]

Im looking at dr. Ludwig Ott's fundamentals of Catholic dogma right now, and on page 41 it says that God knows all real things in the past, the present and the future, and that this belief is "De Fide" which means of the faith, it is the highest degree of doctrinal certitude and thus must be accepted by Catholics under pain of heresy.

As such having discovered that this is de fide, we then know that God must ave foreknown the fall having knowledge of the future, and foreknowing the fall still decided to make Adam and Eve, probably with the mind of taking the greater good out of the evil of their falling.

[cradlecathlic27]

I have always thought that God knows everything, past present and future. I thought everyone believed this...?

[Cepha]

Jul 8, 2009 22:58:00 GMT -5 cradlecathlic27 said:

I have always thought that God knows everything, past present and future. I thought everyone believed this...?

That's not "in" The Bible.

He is all knowing, but no where in The Bible does it state that He knows man's future actions.

There were "prophecies" that came true, but for God, there is no "time" (for He has no beginning and no end).

Event's could've happened and God could just have revealed things to The Prophets going back in time to effect future outcomes or simply to give us warnings.

But, don't take my word for it.

I could be totally wrong on all of this.

God may know the future because it's already happened.
For what's future for us, could be past for God.

All I can say is that The Bible (to my knowledge) doesn't say that God knows the future.

[teresahrc]

Jul 8, 2009 22:40:44 GMT -5 doxology said:

Im looking at dr. Ludwig Ott's fundamentals of Catholic dogma right now, and on page 41 it says that God knows all real things in the past, the present and the future, and that this belief is "De Fide" which means of the faith, it is the highest degree of doctrinal certitude and thus must be accepted by Catholics under pain of heresy.

As such having discovered that this is de fide, we then know that God must ave foreknown the fall having knowledge of the future, and foreknowing the fall still decided to make Adam and Eve, probably with the mind of taking the greater good out of the evil of their falling.

Doxology,

I'm Catholic and of course I believe Catholic doctrines.

The problem is that when people use only the Bible it is nearly impossible to analyze God's attributes. That is what I was trying to show them. I guess you "caught" me.

[cradlecathlic27]

Well, i believe that God knows everything! He knows how and when im going to die...everything! God has plans for each of us i believe.