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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2008 11:24:45 GMT -5
When did the "symbol only" belief begin? When did it reappear in the Protestant movement? The early "reformers" believed in the literal eucharist. Did the symbol only belief begin in America? Teresa Here's your answer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist#Zwinglian_Reformed:_no_Real_PresenceI think that this was one of the main reasons Luther wanted to have Zwingli burned at the stake and had him hunted down. See how "not" believing in The Eucharist and The Real Presence of The Lord in it (as He clearly professed in John 6) brings about disunity in The Body of Christ? Once Christians 'stopped' believing in traditional Christian practices and began to create their own, this lead to the denominations we have today. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand...and that's why the attempt to reform The Catholic Church failed...Protestantism couldn't stand. They were too divided amongst themselves. The only thing they have in common is their protestation against The Catholic Church. For me, that certainly is no foundation for a Christian church. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 29, 2008 11:33:13 GMT -5
You know what? Just today, I remembered a dream that I had a few years ago. I was still a protestant then, with no interest in being Catholic. Anyway, the dream was really long and vivid and had to do with some of my goals in life which I won't talk about now. But a very vivid part of my dream was that I saw a large painting above a mantle, and I saw that it was by me because it was painted in my "style" that I paint. The scene was the Lord's Supper, the wine and bread were on the table but everyone had left (presumably to continue on with the rest of the story in Scripture). When I looked at it, I noticed that I had painted the table with incorrect angles, and I stared at it thinking "the perspective is off" all the while wondering why the perspective was wrong. After I woke up, I tried and tried to figure out what it meant, but I didn't understand until just recently when I received the Eucharist for the first time as a Catholic. My perspective on the Lord's Supper has definitely changed! (I just started a painting of the Lord's Supper too) Teresa That's kind of like my own personal revelations. It amazes me when some attack Catholics as not being spiritual enough when from what I've come to find, we are by far some of the most spiritual Christians in the world. Then, we get criticized for being too spiritual from the others.  Like I say...Catholics aren't converted, their "called" and you definately were called.  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 29, 2008 23:06:38 GMT -5
yeah cepha, they say we dont have enough faith, well let me say this.... They dont have enough faith in the body and blood of Christ, or Baptism, or Saints, or Mary, and many more things. Seems to me that they need to self reflect and learn to have more faith.
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