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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2008 18:34:46 GMT -5
A lot of arguments between Christians revolve around the definiton of words. Some have kidnapped words and made them their own creating new meanings to justify their unfounded allegations against other denominations. So, this thread is here to dispell the incorrect definitions often used by religious extremists. This will be a "reference" thread. I personally prefer to use sources that are commonly accepted by Standard English speakers. www.Dictionary.comFor Biblical references, I like the following sites: www.BibleGateway.comFor "exact wording" when translations are in doubt, I love the following site: www.v-a.com/bible |
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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2008 18:35:21 GMT -5
All reference sites are welcomed. Please feel free to submit your own. Thank you.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 24, 2008 19:30:32 GMT -5
By the way...if you can't prove it, don't say it.
In other words, if you're going to insist that something is true or that somebody else is wrong, prove it.
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Post by Cepha on Mar 27, 2008 9:39:26 GMT -5
Terms:
Let's understand some things here. There are terms that we use that might be offensive to some. I suggest we collectively list thost terms here so that we can "not" use them.
For example:
Roman Catholic is a term used with a negative connotation by non-Catholics. We don't like to be referred to as an RC by others. We are "Catholics"...that's it. There are only Catholics. There are "Rites" of Catholicism, but we are all Catholics (not "Roman" Catholics). The Vatican does not reside "in" Rome, but it is it's own country literally (Italy gave the land that Vatican City is on to The Church and afforded her Sovereign rule so that there would never be any conflicts of interest between The Church and The Government).
"Fundies": I confess, a term I've personally used to describe "Fundamentalists". I will not use that term anymore.
or or Roman: another term used to describe Catholics in a derogaroty manner. People don't know this but it actually derived from racism where a was seen as someone siding with persons who were of an ethnicity not liked by the persons who used that term.
Non-Catholics are free & encouraged to add unto this posting what they "don't" want to be called as well.
Thank you.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 4, 2008 13:09:06 GMT -5
A word about Wikipedia:
A great source for retrieving general information quickly.
Unprovable articles are flagged by the site so that you have the luxury of not having to take what is said at face value.
Those articles that are provable have citable references one could look up right there.
So Wikipedia is a valid source.
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Post by jacee on Apr 7, 2008 14:22:50 GMT -5
How about the very word grace Cephas? I think it is commonly misunderstood by all.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 7, 2008 14:52:10 GMT -5
No...It's only misunderstood by a small minority of Christian sects. The overwhelming majority of Christianity is clear as to what "grace" means and has always meant for 2,000 years. It's just within the past 200 years that the meanings have begun to evolve for denominational Christians. As for the rest of us, we're coasting along. Still steady. Still sure. Still traditional. Still Apostolic. But as I posted, you're welcome to refer to Dictionary.com and post th definition of the word (I suggest you use the complete definition. Some folk have tried to only use "part" of the definition and left the complete definition out to strengthen their arguments in the usage of whatever word they are defining).  |
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Post by jacee on Apr 7, 2008 22:48:20 GMT -5
I don't use dictionarys when I want to find out what the bible (KJV) is saying. I want to know what the very word that is in greek or hebrew means in our english language. And then insert it in the word as I read it. Makes a big difference.
By grace (divine influence upon the heart, with its reflection in the life, including gratitude. I know this one by heart now. That is what the greek definition of the word is.
The first time grace was mentioned at all was with Noah. And that is not the definition there. That definition is to bend or stoop down in kindness to one who is inferior. That I would translate to be unmerited favor. But New testament grace is the enabling power of Holy Spirit upon the heart....then you have to find out what heart entails. Is not the lub dub organ. lol
Sticking to grace....how can an infant be born from above by water baptism when salvation is by grace through faith?
Your doctrine cisterns have holes in them and water definitely is leaking.
Am smiling...
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 22:54:08 GMT -5
because us Catholics do not believe that once saved always saved. Its a lifelong process, that is not determined at one specifit mooment.
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Post by jacee on Apr 7, 2008 22:59:58 GMT -5
Wasn't my question CradleC.....I asked how a baby can receive grace. And how can a baby receive salvation since it is by grace through faith. The baby cannot comprehend this.
However, if you want to say that a baby receives salvation by unmerited favor if the babe should happen to die....I would agree with that. Jesus definitely did stoop down to us who are inferior, with mercy and kindness.
Perhaps we aren't agreeing on the very word salvation???
Will be back later with the definition of that.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 23:08:27 GMT -5
No, i doont think you understand that we believe that salvation comes not only from baptism but from faith as well. Baptism gets rid of the original sin.
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Post by jacee on Apr 7, 2008 23:31:36 GMT -5
How does that work then Marcie? Is totally leaving out the work of repentance which is by Holy Spirit. And a baby cannot express faith.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 7, 2008 23:36:12 GMT -5
WE ARE NOT SAVED AT BAPTISM! Baptism gets rid of original sin...then we have the sacrements. We believe it is a continuos journey to salvation. Does that make sense to you now? Maybe im not saying it correctly or clearly. sorry:)
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2008 0:08:27 GMT -5
Funny. Jesus said that it is with the faith of a child that you must have to enter heaven.
Matthew 18:2-4
2Jesus called a little child to him and stood the child before his followers.h
3Then he said,hI tell you the truth, you must change and become like little children. Otherwise, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.h
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Post by Cepha on Apr 8, 2008 0:17:14 GMT -5
Matthew 18
2And Jesus having called near a child, did set him in the midst of them,
3and said, `Verily I say to you, if ye may not be turned and become as the children, ye may not enter into the reign of the heavens;
4whoever then may humble himself as this child, he is the greater in the reign of the heavens.
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Post by jacee on Apr 8, 2008 14:52:10 GMT -5
To have the faith of a child means that you believe what your father tells you. Most children will defend their dads to the point of fistfights.
Got your dukes up? lol
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Post by Cepha on May 31, 2008 9:33:00 GMT -5
To have the faith of a child means that you believe what your father tells you. Most children will defend their dads to the point of fistfights. Got your dukes up? lol To have the faith of a child to me means coming to Christ with no preconceived notions. |
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