Luke 9

[Cepha]

Jesus talks about "what" makes one of His Church leaders (the requisites).

Luke talks about The Saints and shows Jesus "talking to The Dead".

[I.M.Apologetics]

Luk 9:1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases,
Luk 9:2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal.
Luk 9:3 And he said to them, "Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics.
Luk 9:4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart.
Luk 9:5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them."
Luk 9:6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.
Luk 9:7 Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done, and he was perplexed, because it was said by some that John had been raised from the dead,
Luk 9:8 by some that Eli'jah had appeared, and by others that one of the old prophets had risen.
Luk 9:9 Herod said, "John I beheaded; but who is this about whom I hear such things?" And he sought to see him.
Luk 9:10 On their return the apostles told him what they had done. And he took them and withdrew apart to a city called Beth-sa'ida.
Luk 9:11 When the crowds learned it, they followed him; and he welcomed them and spoke to them of the kingdom of God, and cured those who had need of healing.
Luk 9:12 Now the day began to wear away; and the twelve came and said to him, "Send the crowd away, to go into the villages and country round about, to lodge and get provisions; for we are here in a lonely place."
Luk 9:13 But he said to them, "You give them something to eat." They said, "We have no more than five loaves and two fish--unless we are to go and buy food for all these people."
Luk 9:14 For there were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, "Make them sit down in companies, about fifty each."
Luk 9:15 And they did so, and made them all sit down.
Luk 9:16 And taking the five loaves and the two fish he looked up to heaven, and blessed and broke them, and gave them to the disciples to set before the crowd.
Luk 9:17 And all ate and were satisfied. And they took up what was left over, twelve baskets of broken pieces.
Luk 9:18 Now it happened that as he was praying alone the disciples were with him; and he asked them, "Who do the people say that I am?"
Luk 9:19 And they answered, "John the Baptist; but others say, Eli'jah; and others, that one of the old prophets has risen."
Luk 9:20 And he said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" And Peter answered, "The Christ of God."
Luk 9:21 But he charged and commanded them to tell this to no one,
Luk 9:22 saying, "The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised."
Luk 9:23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake, he will save it.
Luk 9:25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?
Luk 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
Luk 9:28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray.
Luk 9:29 And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white.
Luk 9:30 And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Eli'jah,
Luk 9:31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem.
Luk 9:32 Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep, and when they wakened they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him.
Luk 9:33 And as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli'jah" --not knowing what he said.
Luk 9:34 As he said this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were afraid as they entered the cloud.
Luk 9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!"
Luk 9:36 And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silence and told no one in those days anything of what they had seen.
Luk 9:37 On the next day, when they had come down from the mountain, a great crowd met him.
Luk 9:38 And behold, a man from the crowd cried, "Teacher, I beg you to look upon my son, for he is my only child;
Luk 9:39 and behold, a spirit seizes him, and he suddenly cries out; it convulses him till he foams, and shatters him, and will hardly leave him.
Luk 9:40 And I begged your disciples to cast it out, but they could not."
Luk 9:41 Jesus answered, "O faithless and perverse generation, how long am I to be with you and bear with you? Bring your son here."
Luk 9:42 While he was coming, the demon tore him and convulsed him. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the boy, and gave him back to his father.
Luk 9:43 And all were astonished at the majesty of God. But while they were all marveling at everything he did, he said to his disciples,
Luk 9:44 "Let these words sink into your ears; for the Son of man is to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luk 9:45 But they did not understand this saying, and it was concealed from them, that they should not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask him about this saying.
Luk 9:46 And an argument arose among them as to which of them was the greatest.
Luk 9:47 But when Jesus perceived the thought of their hearts, he took a child and put him by his side,
Luk 9:48 and said to them, "Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me; for he who is least among you all is the one who is great."
Luk 9:49 John answered, "Master, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he does not follow with us."
Luk 9:50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him; for he that is not against you is for you."
Luk 9:51 When the days drew near for him to be received up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:52 And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him;
Luk 9:53 but the people would not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to bid fire come down from heaven and consume them?"
Luk 9:55 But he turned and rebuked them.
Luk 9:56 And they went on to another village.
Luk 9:57 As they were going along the road, a man said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go."
Luk 9:58 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has nowhere to lay his head."
Luk 9:59 To another he said, "Follow me." But he said, "Lord, let me first go and bury my father."
Luk 9:60 But he said to him, "Leave the dead to bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
Luk 9:61 Another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but let me first say farewell to those at my home."
Luk 9:62 Jesus said to him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."

[I.M.Apologetics]

vv. 30-34 is where Jesus speaks to "the dead"...

[knuckle]

Matthew 17:9 explains that this was a vision

[Cepha]

Apr 13, 2008 13:48:18 GMT -5 knuckle said:

Matthew 17:9 explains that this was a vision

This wasn't...

Mark 9
1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

2And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Now, The Bible says that Jesus was conversing with the dead.
The Dead were the vision, but not the living Christ.
The incident was to be shared after Jesus' rising.
But it never says that Jesus "didn't" talk to the dead.
It indeed states that Jesus did talk to the dead.
Moses and Elijah who were dead and to whom Jesus spoke with.

[knuckle]

Brother Cepha-----------

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Elias and Moses were a vision, we know this because Christ hadn't been lifted up yet

much love----------knuckle

[Cepha]

Apr 13, 2008 14:00:36 GMT -5 knuckle said:

Brother Cepha-----------

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Elias and Moses were a vision, we know this because Christ hadn't been lifted up yet

much love----------knuckle

That's what I said.
And Jesus talked to their visions.
Jesus talked to the visions of two dead men.
That's what scripture says.
Jesus talked to the dead and they talked back to Him.

[knuckle]

Being as He is the Life they had to really now why Moses and Elijah and not say Noah and David?

[Cepha]

Apr 13, 2008 14:11:48 GMT -5 knuckle said:

Being as He is the Life they had to really now why Moses and Elijah and not say Noah and David?

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question as written.
Could you re-word it for me?
Thanks.

[I.M.Apologetics]

If Jesus can do it then why can't we?
Aren't we to follow His example?