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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 13:03:29 GMT -5
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 13:23:34 GMT -5
Upon doing an experiment, Alex Jones wanted to have an early Christian worship service to practice what Jesus' followers practiced in The Bible and in the 1st Century.
When he set up the service, members of his congregation walked out. They were accusing him of performing a "Catholic" Mass.
He didn't even realize it. He thought he was doing what the first Chrsitians did.
(Which he was).
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Post by knuckle on Apr 10, 2008 14:11:26 GMT -5
did he do it in Latin or in Toungues
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 14:56:56 GMT -5
did he do it in Latin or in Toungues You mean the service? I assume he did it in English (although I really couldn't tell you). Although if he was going to be really authentic, it would've been in Aramaic. Besides, since his church spoke the same language, he would'nt have to use a foreign language to talk to them. They'd automatically understand him. The thing is...in resorting to "original" authentic Christianity, he ended up where The Church began. And in his will to be a "Christian" while throwing away everything, but The Holy Bible and Church history, he was stripped of all the misindoctrination that misled him. Why? Because...he did it himself. The only thing between him and the truth was God (not man). So he got it right. |
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Post by knuckle on Apr 10, 2008 15:42:06 GMT -5
I was being facetious cepha-----lighten up man and have some fun  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 10, 2008 15:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 12, 2008 21:13:56 GMT -5
I'm reading his book right now. It's called "No Price Too High". Ignatius press releases it. I like it a lot. Gives good insight to pentacostal thought.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 11:41:20 GMT -5
His testimony is amazing.
I'm sure some will call him brainwashed or misled, but this is a man who took years to convert (not one overnight experience).
He had plenty of opportunity to "not" convert.
Convert is not the right word...he really has just grown.
Spiritual evolution.
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Post by jacee on Apr 20, 2008 22:15:42 GMT -5
I've been wanting to post this on this forum but the intense blue kept me from seeing it...so here goes. www.freshfire.ca Todd Bentley is holding meetings every day in Lakeland, Florida...this is the new move of God and may be the last one before Jesus comes back....I don't know, but is reaching out now to all nations. People coming there from all over the world. Miracles happening each day! Can watch it on the website at 10:00 am and 7 pm. Todd ministers every evening. We have been there once and are going each evening of this new week. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 20, 2008 22:37:09 GMT -5
You did post that, remember?
And I asked you about that man who adorned his face with jewelry like the pagans do.
Remember?
Me and M got into this exchange about men wearing jewelry and symbollic VS personal adornment jewewlry.
(I personally don't believe that a man should adorn himself with jewelry except a religious symbol or a wedding ring).
They especially shouldn't pierce their bodies (Leviticus teaches us about this).
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Post by jacee on Apr 21, 2008 12:16:01 GMT -5
No, Cepha I do not remember. This just started 3 weeks ago. I posted it on another forum...and may of tried to post it here when it was hard to see the words. Didn't see any exchange about jewelry.
I have not seen him with his stud and earring except on his website messages, and pictures.
He was formerly a hells angel. Has never been a part of any church that I know of. And he has tattoos everywhere. Apparently they do not matter to Jesus...would put a smiley here but have not yet learned this forum stuff. Lack of time is the problem.
You know Cepha, catholics are not the only part of christendom that gets a bad rap.
This man is unpretentious...humble....loves Jesus....and actually loves people. Does not judge even those who go up on stage and has obvious sin in their lives. He "discerns" it by Holy Spirit, and prays for them.
I see that love and it pricks my heart....do I love that way? That's the God kind of love and we can only do that by His change of our heart from darkness to light. And even then we must not let offenses come to our heart. This world defiles, our own mindsets are defiled, and we have an enemy who is quick to point out our weaknesses of self and of others.
I honor this man for his walk.
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 21, 2008 13:51:35 GMT -5
Heres a question I've been having. Is being "baptised of the Holy Spirit" a violation of the Nicene Creed? I've wondered about it because I knew Catholics who had been and were good people, still I'm skeptical as to if this is a good thing or not.
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Post by knuckle on Apr 21, 2008 15:11:38 GMT -5
Hi RSF------------
I am trying to wrap my mind around your question---could you reword it please?
much love------------knuckle
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Post by reinabella on Apr 21, 2008 15:34:32 GMT -5
This is interesting, never heard about this. I think it's GREAT that he stopped his hate rhetoric against the Catholic church.. that's completely anti-Christian anyway. The great whore?? That's awful. What's even more amazing is that he finally realized the error of his ways which should be praised..
However, I will say this, it's kind of unfair to get mad at his congregation.. FOr years he preached one thing, and they were led by him, and believed him, and respected him. And then to totally change your doctrine (whether right, wrong, whatever) well, it's confusing to the church. So it's no wonder people didn't follow him to the religion he chose as his own. If someone wanted to be a Catholic or a Pentecostal or Methodist, well, they go to those churches right? You can't be forced to understand and accept something you never understoo and accepted before.
I want to read more about him though. Interesting indeed..
Oh and I've been to plenty of early morning worship services, so I"m not sure why it bugged them to go to one. Maybe they're not used to waking up early..LOL j/k
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 21, 2008 21:43:52 GMT -5
Heya knuckles,
Ok the Nicene Creed mentions that we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. Many charismatic Catholics are "baptised into the Holy Spirit". I'm not too sure about what happens except that they often can speak in tongues after that. Is there a contradiction there? Many I respect have done this, but I wonder about greatly. It seems like if you were baptised once why would you need another baptism? I imagine that you wouldn't but why would you need another to be able to speak tongues? I don't understand it.
I hope this clarifies things.
~RSF77
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Post by jacee on Apr 23, 2008 1:52:17 GMT -5
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Jesus said there would be another baptism after water baptism. And not to go out until then. I've heard it is a baptism of service, but I believe it is the normal christian life. And available to all of His own.
If I would have to choose between a creed and the evidence of the birth of the church in Acts, I would choose the evidence.
Thank you cc for posting the creed on another topic.
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Post by knuckle on Apr 23, 2008 4:31:17 GMT -5
Hi RSF------------
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
1) repentance from dead works
2) faith toward God
3) baptisms-- plural
4) laying on of hands
5) resurrection of the dead
6) eternal(aionian) judgment
these are the doctrines of sincere milk that all babes in Christ must fully digest before they can move on to strong meat Paul calls them the first principles of the oracles of God.
if you folks would like to we could discuss these 6 doctrines in depth.
much love----------------knuckle
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Post by Cepha on Apr 23, 2008 7:08:18 GMT -5
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Jesus said there would be another baptism after water baptism. And not to go out until then. I've heard it is a baptism of service, but I believe it is the normal christian life. And available to all of His own. If I would have to choose between a creed and the evidence of the birth of the church in Acts, I would choose the evidence. Thank you cc for posting the creed on another topic. He was speaking to the heirchy of The Church when He said this, not to the congregation. This is The Comforter (The Holy Paraclete, The Helper, The Holy Spirit) that Jesus promised The Apostles before His death. This is how Catholics know that The Church is guided by The Holy Spirit...Jesus promised it. He didn't promise it to scattered sheep, but to His massed flock that were organized and unified. John 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning You have to always take a verse or passage in context. Always. Or else, you could be led into believing in dual or multiple baptisms. Jesus said it clearly that a Christian must be born of both water and of The Holy Spirit just as He was by John. There really is nowhere else to go with this. He didn't say "water & The Holy Spirit and then, The Holy Spirit again". Once baptized by The Spirit, that's all it takes. There is no need for multiple baptisms. Not only that, there's no Biblical support for such a belief. It just doesn't exist in The Holy Bible. What does is Jesus promising The Holy Spirit to His Apostles (The Heirchy of The Church). And "that" is what happened.  |
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 23, 2008 12:38:53 GMT -5
Cepha are charismatic Catholics doing anything wrong then when they are baptised into the Holy Spirit then?
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Post by jacee on Apr 23, 2008 15:33:57 GMT -5
The heirarchy of the church? What is that? Holy spirit came upon all the 120 in the room, and then upon all that the apostles laid hands on. Are you saying it isn't for today?
As I read Romans I see that there is the spirit of Christ which Paul said, if one does not have he is none of His. I believe that is what the disciples received when He said, receive ye my spirit, and breathed on them. That is the revelation of Jesus Christ as Saviour. Is what protesants call the born again, or born from above experience. That is why Jesus said to be born of water, and born of Spirit. That water I believe is not the fluid of the womb, but our water baptism. The experience of having our old man dying and our new spirit man rising in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then Holy Spirit baptism. For some it comes simultaneously with the water baptism. God is not in a box of our making concerning this.
Is for all believers.
Cepha you have to prove it is only for the *heirarchy* and I don't believe you can do that.
The creed is wrong Redsox. I do believe in the Apostles creed and said it every sunday in the Reformed Church that I attended after my new birth.
Someone really needs to tell Holy Spirit He is working outside Gods will if your beliefs are correct....and they aren't. Smiling here...loving all you guys too.
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