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Post by emily445455 on Apr 17, 2008 10:42:34 GMT -5
There is, I just don't know where it is, lol.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 17, 2008 10:48:19 GMT -5
There is, I just don't know where it is, lol. Let me help you out there: However, the Bible is very clear when it comes to the authority of the law in this age. We can learn from it, for it teaches us many things. However, we are free from the rules and regulations of this law. Let us look at some of the proofs for this teaching in scripture. 1. The Bible clearly states that we are not under the law. Romans 6:14 says, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Since we are under grace, we are not under the law. The two are mutually exclusive. 2. Jesus Christ has delivered us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:10-13). Those who "are of the works of the law are under the curse" (v.10) But "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law" (v.13). We come to God by faith and "the law is not of faith" (v.12). 3. Before faith came (clear faith in the person of Jesus Christ), we were kept under the law (Galatians 3:23). The "law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (v.24). "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (v.25). How much clearer could it be? We are no longer under the Mosaic law as a rule of practice. 4. In Galatians, Paul goes even further. The very desire to be under the law is a carnal desire. He calls the Galatians "foolish" for trying to return to the practices of the law as a way to please God (Galatians 3:1-3). In Galatians 4:21-31, he tells an allegory to those "that desire to be under the law" (v.21). He concludes that those who follow the law are "children of the bondwoman" (v.31), but those who follow faith are "free." Paul is not dealing here with the law as a plan for salvation. He is dealing with those who have trusted in Christ and then desire to return to the law in order to please God. 5. The council in Jerusalem in Acts 15 plainly stated that the requirements of the law were not to be exacted from Gentile believers. It also clearly states that Jews must come to Christ in the same way that Gentiles get saved--"But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they" (v.11). The problem came when certain of the 6. Pharisees decided that the Gentiles who had believed must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses (v.5). The men at the conference (including Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and James the brother of Jesus) agreed that this was not to be required of the Gentiles. Peter even accused the Pharisees of tempting God, "to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (v.10). Evidently, it is tempting God to require grace age believers to keep the Jewish regulations of the law. 7. Paul specifically excludes circumcision as a requirement for New Testament believers. See Galatians 5:1-6; 6:15. We are not subject to the particular restrictions of the law. Colossians 2:16-17 states, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." the Jewish laws were shadows of things to come. That is, they pointed to Christ. But now that Jesus Christ has come, there is no need to hold on to the shadow. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 17, 2008 10:49:37 GMT -5
Now...you do realize that these are the "personal" interpretations of the author of this article, right?
He beleifs don't appear in The Holy Bible at all.
Not as she worded them, not as teachings.
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 17, 2008 10:53:05 GMT -5
Hm I see no private interpreting in the ones I read. #1 Romans 6:14 says, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."
We're not under the law, yay! I can eat pork!
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Post by Cepha on Apr 17, 2008 11:00:50 GMT -5
Hm I see no private interpreting in the ones I read. #1 Romans 6:14 says, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." We're not under the law, yay! I can eat pork! See what you just said? You said that "you" don't see private interpretation there. That's how you personally interpreted it! And...Peter was told by God that we could all eat anything (including pork). Does this undo the Law? No...God dictates The Law. So if God says it's ok, it's ok then. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 17, 2008 15:52:50 GMT -5
No...I quoted a verse. Romans 6:14 and took it for what it says.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 17, 2008 20:25:31 GMT -5
No...I quoted a verse. Romans 6:14 and took it for what it says. You keep ignoring your references to yourself when you write. You just wrote that "you" took it for what it says. Again, that's personal interpretation.  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 17, 2008 20:28:51 GMT -5
Oh, LOL, you're funny. Taking a verse and believing it isn't personally interpreting it, we're suppost to just take verses for what they say, or go to over verses for more clarification.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 17, 2008 21:21:40 GMT -5
Oh, LOL, you're funny. Taking a verse and believing it isn't personally interpreting it, we're suppost to just take verses for what they say, or go to over verses for more clarification. Take it as you read it and allow The Holy Spirit to guide you as to what it means. If you place your faith in The Spirit, it will not mislead you. Again, thats "if you have faith that you will be led by The Holys Spirit. |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 21, 2008 21:57:16 GMT -5
I was sitting in Mass this sunday and was thinking of how protestants can not respect they beauty in the Mass. I think most have never been to Mass and just go off of what they have heard. I just dont see a normal person being turned off by the presance of a Mass. When your there, its like you are surrounded by Holyness! why are you in church thinking about protestants? It's a time to reflect on your relationship w/ Christ.. Focus on Him.. |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 21, 2008 22:01:11 GMT -5
Emily, why would you say something like that? I mean what is it in your heart that makes you say rude things like.. the event did not mean much to me...? I attended a Baptist service easter sunday, although it was not my type of worship, the service meant something to me because i was there WORSHIPING THE LORD. Well pot, meet kettle. You sat there and just said that you don't understand how a NORMAL person couldn't feel anything in a Catholic, as if you've got to be some special kind of retarded to actually think differently.. Then you said that maybe since she was "older and maturer (not a word btw) that she would appreciate Catholicsm a bit more, as if only whiny little snot nosed brats would care for something OTHER than catholicsm.. I'm all for everyone having their own beliefs, it's the way it should be, but don't passively aggresively attack a religion yet get offended when someone honestly and openly does. Just a thought.. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 21, 2008 22:31:06 GMT -5
Emily, why would you say something like that? I mean what is it in your heart that makes you say rude things like.. the event did not mean much to me...? I attended a Baptist service easter sunday, although it was not my type of worship, the service meant something to me because i was there WORSHIPING THE LORD. Well pot, meet kettle. You sat there and just said that you don't understand how a NORMAL person couldn't feel anything in a Catholic, as if you've got to be some special kind of retarded to actually think differently.. Then you said that maybe since she was "older and maturer (not a word btw) that she would appreciate Catholicsm a bit more, as if only whiny little snot nosed brats would care for something OTHER than catholicsm.. I'm all for everyone having their own beliefs, it's the way it should be, but don't passively aggresively attack a religion yet get offended when someone honestly and openly does. Just a thought.. Well, reina. My spelling is a lil off, so if that bothers you im really sorry. I was just trying to point out the obviouse anti-Catholic choice of words that em said. She said that the Catholic mass was boring or not good in her eyes,(because of the way she was told to fell about the RCC). I wanted to make the point of how ME a Catholic could attend a church like hers and feel comfortable because i was there for the right reasons and not because "i heard" false things about it. So, i know you are new here and i cant wait to see what you bring to the boards. Welcome. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 21, 2008 22:36:07 GMT -5
I was sitting in Mass this sunday and was thinking of how protestants can not respect they beauty in the Mass. I think most have never been to Mass and just go off of what they have heard. I just dont see a normal person being turned off by the presance of a Mass. When your there, its like you are surrounded by Holyness! why are you in church thinking about protestants? It's a time to reflect on your relationship w/ Christ.. Focus on Him.. I knew someone would say this.... To be honest, i was enjoying the beauty of my church mass and was wondering why, because it really bugs me, that Protestants have such a huge problem with the Catholic church. I mean, i feel like im in Jesus's presance when i walk into my church. It has that quiet and Holy feel to it. Its hard to explain, but i am trying my best. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 22, 2008 7:48:32 GMT -5
She said that the Catholic mass was boring or not good in her eyes,(because of the way she was told to fell about the RCC). . Actually I attended that mass and felt like that WAY before I started to attend the church I am at now. I had nothing particularly against the Catholic religion...but even then I could sense something was weird. |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 22, 2008 9:20:28 GMT -5
why are you in church thinking about protestants? It's a time to reflect on your relationship w/ Christ.. Focus on Him.. I knew someone would say this.... To be honest, i was enjoying the beauty of my church mass and was wondering why, because it really bugs me, that Protestants have such a huge problem with the Catholic church. I mean, i feel like im in Jesus's presance when i walk into my church. It has that quiet and Holy feel to it. Its hard to explain, but i am trying my best. well you knew someone would say this because it's true. I don't know, when I belonged to a church, we NEVER spoke ill about other religions in our service, nor was my mind atleast, not thinking about other denominations or religions.. it's just not the time or place. I feel God's presence ANYWHERE I go. Because you're supposed to carry God with you, not drop him off after Mass or church and pick him up. SO if someone is being rude saying ill things about how YOU worship, then just be like whatever. Know that it's more fear of the unknown then anything. They don't know what the heck's going on, it's diff from what they're used to so they feel odd. It was the same way when I entered ANY church back in the day. Everyone worships different so at first you're like , "umm okayyy". I just hate the whole back and forth between religions and it makes no sense how people can care SO much what others think about them. It's like people focus more on the other religion then on what matters the most. That's all I meant. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 22, 2008 10:20:43 GMT -5
Your probably right, but i cant stand it when people dog out my church when they dont have a clue of what they are talking about and so sometimes i dont have the will power to just let it go. Owell i guess that is why everyone is different.
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Post by teresahrc on Aug 7, 2008 14:06:56 GMT -5
Is it wrong to visit non Catholic Churches?
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Post by Cepha on Aug 7, 2008 14:33:33 GMT -5
Is it wrong to visit non Catholic Churches? Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, The Church encourages shared worship experiences. It doesn't mean that one has to actively take part in invalid communion ceremonies, but we can pray with them, we can worship with them so long that they don't contradict Jesus. |
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Post by Cepha on Aug 7, 2008 21:56:53 GMT -5
What is an invalid communion ceremony? If you were in a protestant church where communion was being given, you would not partake? Only an ordained Priest can consecrate The Host (as Jesus when He consecrated The Host was an ordained Priest). And I would "not" partake in any ritual not performed by an ordained Priest. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Aug 7, 2008 23:22:57 GMT -5
If a Catholic was to partake in the symbolizing of the Blood and Body, then that would mean that we believe it to be just that. Same as if a protestant attended Mass, they would not get up and do communion.
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