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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 8:04:35 GMT -5
Now, it's time we be honest with each other here. Let's face it. We all pretty much love to debate and to have exchanges and to know "why" which I think is good. It's good to be honestly inquisitive. And I will be the first to admit that I wanted to have Watchman around because I got to practice my apologetics on him and to show how unreasonable it was for one to be Anti-Catholic (in his case, Anti-American Christian). I did that for myself. I didn't do it to serve God. So, by allowing it to continue, it only did God a disservice. And here, it was just making too many people uncomfortable. Despite my differences religiously with some of you, I won't allow anyone to come here and to attack you. Even when I've questioned your personal faith or manner of worship, it's never been with malice nor with a black heart. And I've never tried to convert anyone or to tell them that their wrong about "how" they believe. God bless us all (even and especially Watchman). We really need it especially when we "The Church", the community of all believers in Jesus Christ (not just The Catholic Church) are under such an attack. With how the world is today (especially in this country), we seem to be getting squeezed more and more together and we need to stick together. There were differences even during the Apostolic Church, how many more differences would there be now with all this time that has passed since then? Still, Paul was a staunch believer in our remaining one. Will we ever be identical in our faith? Absolutely not. Even among Catholics, there are differences individually. We are each (all Christians) members of The Church, but are also churches unto ourselves. I used to feel sorry for Watchman because I felt he was lost, but after reviewing his posts, I've found him to cuddle up to one in one post only to come around with the other hand and slap them square in the face and you guys are going to have to forgive me, but again, I'm still in the "Peter The Earcutter" stage in my conversion where I won't allow my brethren to be attacked (even if they themselves don't see themselves tied to me by Christ). There is no light in Watchman. In fact, it's a game to woo those who want to get along. There is no doubt in what I say. I've had this confirmed to me by God I believe. The evidence are in his posts. He's not here to learn, but to infect. Now, I put off banning him because I remember when I was banned, but then, I've never been banned for what he did. I was literally banned for posting my beliefs or for posting violations against me by moderators (when they'd break their own rules in addressing me and I'd post their messages to me next to the rules). So be it. I'm seeing this board going to another level and I welcome it. If anything, Watchman's attacks did manage to do one thing. They managed to do something we couldn't do. They seemed to bring us closer together. So, the plan to divide the sheep from the sheep backfired. I know some of you won't agree with me banning him again, but maybe it's because you secretly want to have him here to practice your apologetics too.  No, I've prayed over this and it was made clear to me that I should run with this newfound atmosphere of charity. If the board dies because of the lack of conflict then that will be our faults. Do we have to be fighting in order to bring life to this board? Or can we grow and move on now after almost a year? I hope we can grow. Even if we just remain small. I learn a lot here. And I love that we don't have to agree to get along here. God bless us all. |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:17:19 GMT -5
Watchman has never done anything but tell the truth, if you do not like it it is probably because God is convicting you. Most of what is taught in the evangelical, protestant, American church today is false. you would ban someone for pointing out this truth? That is not very Christian of you.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:24:40 GMT -5
Watchman has never done anything but tell the truth, if you do not like it it is probably because God is convicting you. Most of what is taught in the evangelical, protestant, American church today is false. you would ban someone for pointing out this truth? That is not very Christian of you. We had a vote. The board voted to ban him. End of story. And, his violations were listed and considered "before" he was banned and he was found to have violated the one rule we had. There is to be mutual respect. Why are you so concerned when you don't even participate in this board? Did he run back to CUSA or where ever he came from to seek to complain? I don't understand. He violated the one rule we have and was banned. What's to discuss? |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2009 12:33:26 GMT -5
Not that I see.
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:33:39 GMT -5
Very few forums allow the truth to be told, I guess this forum is now a part of that list.
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:35:46 GMT -5
Watchman has never done anything but tell the truth, if you do not like it it is probably because God is convicting you. Most of what is taught in the evangelical, protestant, American church today is false. you would ban someone for pointing out this truth? That is not very Christian of you. We had a vote. The board voted to ban him. End of story. And, his violations were listed and considered "before" he was banned and he was found to have violated the one rule we had. There is to be mutual respect. Why are you so concerned when you don't even participate in this board? Did he run back to CUSA or where ever he came from to seek to complain? I don't understand. He violated the one rule we have and was banned. What's to discuss? Watchman does not really go to CUSA often, those people are not interesting enough for him. He doesn't like you at all, but he does pray for you often, and he thinks you are an interesting person. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2009 12:36:50 GMT -5
asheseesyou, I actually have to agree with Cepha. Spreading the Truth can be done in different ways: the loving, gentle way...or the shove-it-down your throat, annoying way. There are situations for both kinds of ways of spreading the Truth...on internet forums we should use the 1st way, exactly for the reason of not getting banned. In real life...a witnesser should read their witnessee to see which method would be most effective.  |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:38:41 GMT -5
asheseesyou, I actually have to agree with Cepha. Spreading the Truth can be done in different ways: the loving, gentle way...or the shove-it-down your throat, annoying way. There are situations for both kinds of ways of spreading the Truth...on internet forums we should use the 1st way, exactly for the reason of not getting banned. In real life...a witnesser should read their witnessee to see which method would be most effective. He has tried that with you, and to be honest he doesn't think you would respond to either method, you are to far gone, only a miracle of God will open your eyes. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:41:57 GMT -5
Very few forums allow the truth to be told, I guess this forum is now a part of that list. Maybe not what "you" personally interpret to be "truth". And as I said, anybody can share their faith...they just don't have to attack other's faiths in order to share theirs. I've said it many times, this isn't an attack forum. There is a difference. If one has to attack another's faith to defend theirs, then there is something lacking in their faith in their own religion. When Jesus spread The Gospel, He never attacked the religion of The Pharisees. To the contrary, Jesus defended it. He did attack them (The Pharisees) for passing judgement on others and used non-Believers and non-Jews to teach His disciples what pleased God. And that should be the standard that all Christians use. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:45:49 GMT -5
asheseesyou, I actually have to agree with Cepha. Spreading the Truth can be done in different ways: the loving, gentle way...or the shove-it-down your throat, annoying way. There are situations for both kinds of ways of spreading the Truth...on internet forums we should use the 1st way, exactly for the reason of not getting banned. In real life...a witnesser should read their witnessee to see which method would be most effective. Well said. We're all open here to hearing what others have to share. But I've rarely if ever found an Anti-Catholic (or as in this case, and Anti-American Christian) who actually knows The Gospel. They can tell you all the verses that prove that Our Savior's mother had sexual intercourse, but can't name The Beatitudes. They're religion is being "Anti-". I myself used to be Anti-Catholic, then I became her defender (like Paul) then I became Anti-Anti-Catholic then I found nothing that edified me being Anti-anything. Thankfully, I'm finding comfort in just being a Christian and in striving to resemble Jesus in how He dealt with persons of different faiths. |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2009 12:49:07 GMT -5
hmmmmm....is ashseesyou and watchman/oneagleswings/ezeikle the same person.....
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:49:25 GMT -5
Very few forums allow the truth to be told, I guess this forum is now a part of that list. Maybe not what "you" personally interpret to be "truth". And as I said, anybody can share their faith...they just don't have to attack other's faiths in order to share theirs. I've said it many times, this isn't an attack forum. There is a difference. If one has to attack another's faith to defend theirs, then there is something lacking in their faith in their own religion. When Jesus spread The Gospel, He never attacked the religion of The Pharisees. To the contrary, Jesus defended it. He did attack them (The Pharisees) for passing judgement on others and used non-Believers and non-Jews to teach His disciples what pleased God. And that should be the standard that all Christians use. So rather than speaking the truth about the American church and its apostasy from the truth you want him to attack people personally? Is that what you are saying? |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:51:12 GMT -5
hmmmmm....is ashseesyou and watchman/oneagleswings/ezeikle the same person..... I am not watchman but Ezekiel33, onwingsaseagles, and watchman are the same person, however I have never used any of those nics. I am better known as livnwater or putnoutetrnlfire. |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:52:47 GMT -5
Watchman is a sander, I am a buffer. cepha you should know a little something about sanding. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:52:51 GMT -5
We had a vote. The board voted to ban him. End of story. And, his violations were listed and considered "before" he was banned and he was found to have violated the one rule we had. There is to be mutual respect. Why are you so concerned when you don't even participate in this board? Did he run back to CUSA or where ever he came from to seek to complain? I don't understand. He violated the one rule we have and was banned. What's to discuss? Watchman does not really go to CUSA often, those people are not interesting enough for him. He doesn't like you at all, but he does pray for you often, and he thinks you are an interesting person. Unfortunately, he's a lier and a sneak. After he got banned, he deceived the board by changing his IP Address and coming in like a sheep in wolf's clothing to be among us to continue his abuse of those here who don't agree with him. We don't want him here. It's it and that's that. We are warned in scripture about those who would cause division among Christians. We are instructed by scripture to not deal with them. They are seen as worse than non-Believers. So be it. I wouldn't be surprised if you were him right now. See? That's the sort of mistrust that he has created with his deceptive ways. And, he straight out lied about me (and I posted the evidence) slandering my faith and misrepresenting what I believe. If someone lied about you and misrepresented what you believe, would you still say that they are telling the truth?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 11, 2009 12:53:01 GMT -5
Just found it odd that the moment Mr. multiple screen names is banned, you pop up defending him and saying the same things about me as he did. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:54:39 GMT -5
Watchman is a sander, I am a buffer. cepha you should know a little something about sanding. Yes, back in my "backsliding" days!  But the things I used to do, I can't do no more. And, unlike the other sites, I actually reached out to him and warned him about his abusive behavior. And, Jesus never "sanded" anyone. Who did "sand" people? Satan. |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 12:57:22 GMT -5
Are you saying you do believe Jesus is the only wauy to the Father/God/Heaven. If this is the case then watchman will be glad to hear it. He has been praying God would open his eyes to this truth. He could not understand how someone who seemed to be such an stanch defender of Catholicism could deny that Jesus was the one and only Savior.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 11, 2009 12:58:39 GMT -5
asheseesyou, I actually have to agree with Cepha. Spreading the Truth can be done in different ways: the loving, gentle way...or the shove-it-down your throat, annoying way. There are situations for both kinds of ways of spreading the Truth...on internet forums we should use the 1st way, exactly for the reason of not getting banned. In real life...a witnesser should read their witnessee to see which method would be most effective. He has tried that with you, and to be honest he doesn't think you would respond to either method, you are to far gone, only a miracle of God will open your eyes. See that? Now you are doing what he did...you are insulting Emily telling her that she's wrong to believe what she believes when only God can do that. Don't worry, if God called you and Watchman to do that, you'll be ok. But you completely ignore scripture when it teaches us that we are "not" to pass judgement on how others worship, so your authority cannot be of God for God does not contradict His own Word. Ask yourself, if scripture teaches us not to judge those in other churches and you're doing that, who are you serving? Certainly (according to scritpure), not God. So if not God, who are your divisive and unChrist-like actions serving? |
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Post by asheseesyou on Apr 11, 2009 13:03:42 GMT -5
Watchman does not really go to CUSA often, those people are not interesting enough for him. He doesn't like you at all, but he does pray for you often, and he thinks you are an interesting person. Unfortunately, he's a lier and a sneak. After he got banned, he deceived the board by changing his IP Do you really think he was trying to hide his identity? He used the very passage of scripture that he got watchman from, and used the same writing style and every thing. He change his nic because he had to not to fool or deceive anyone. |
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