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Post by Jimmy B. on Apr 13, 2008 1:54:17 GMT -5
How much of so-called "Christian History" - created by protestants, is a lie? 
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 13, 2008 7:14:54 GMT -5
...what?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 10:21:11 GMT -5
How much of so-called "Christian History" - created by protestants, is a lie? I think it would be good for you to list what you think are lies Brother Jimmy.  Another good question is the Protestant focus on Catholic faults while ignoring their own. Especially those that focus on ancient history and ignore their own faults today. For example: Priest sex scandal (260/year) VS Protestant sex scandal (3,500 /year) Spanish Inquisition (8,000 killed) VS Protestant Inquisition (150,000 killed) Catholic Adherence to The Bible (divorce, abortion, male Priesthood, gay marriage, etc...) VS Protestant Cafetirialism to The Bible (allowance of thinkgs Catholics & the Bible don't allow: divorce, abortion, female teachers in church, gay marriage, etc...) Catholic oppression of Protestants 500 years ago VS Protestant oppression of Catholics today |
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Post by alfie on Apr 13, 2008 10:47:17 GMT -5
How much of so-called "Christian History" - created by protestants, is a lie? I think it would be good for you to list what you think are lies Brother Jimmy. Another good question is the Protestant focus on Catholic faults while ignoring their own. Especially those that focus on ancient history and ignore their own faults today. For example: Priest sex scandal (260/year) VS Protestant sex scandal (3,500 /year) Last time I checked the internet there were over 800,000 protestant ministers in the U.S. versus around 52,000 Catholic priests. That makes it aproximately 1/2% of protestant ministers versus 1/2 % for Catholic priests who commit sexual abuse. I think I did my math correctly. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 10:54:55 GMT -5
Maybe you missed this indepth study and article from a well respected (non-fanatical) "Protestant" publication: "The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says.
Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic. Catholic churches represent a slightly smaller minority of churches in the CMR surveys which aren't scientifically random, but "representative" demographic samples of churches, Dr. Cobble explains.
Since 1993, on average about 1 percent of the surveyed churches reported abuse allegations annually. That means on average, about 3,500 allegations annually, or nearly 70 per among the predominantly Protestant group, Cobble says.www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.htmlAnd then there's www.Reformation.com"We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002 And as for your math, it's wayyyy off. The % of Priests is about .5%. What's your source for your statistics? But realistically speaking, Protestants outmolest children at a rate of 14:1 for Catholics. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 13, 2008 11:01:46 GMT -5
Sadly, even by your numbers, that would mean that 400,000 Pastors molested children as opposed to 26,000 Priests have. Still sad.
But hey, this is a Protestant Country. We Catholics are the underwhelming minority here. We can't be blamed for what you guys do (war, abortion, capitol punishment, poverty, giving to the rich while ignoring the poor, etc...).
Take Brazil for example...while it was a Catholic Country, it was the ideal of Central and South America, but as Protestantism has take hold with it's liberal views on things, it has now become one of the most Godless countries in the the the Western Hemisphere (rampant homosexuality, sex trade, AIDS, etc...).
The question is, what was it that changed the country?
On the one hand, Protestants like to brag about how Protestantism is taking over Catholic countries, but they never want to take credit for the fall of the country away from God after it does.
The overwhelming majority of unholy people in The US are Protestants. They believe in abortion, female teachers in the church, homosexual marriage, practicing homosexual married clergy, divorce, worshipping God with snakes, racism, etc...all unBiblical.
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Post by alfie on Apr 27, 2008 10:39:59 GMT -5
Sadly, even by your numbers, that would mean that 400,000 Pastors molested children as opposed to 26,000 Priests have. Still sad. But hey, this is a Protestant Country. We Catholics are the underwhelming minority here. We can't be blamed for what you guys do (war, abortion, capitol punishment, poverty, giving to the rich while ignoring the poor, etc...). Take Brazil for example...while it was a Catholic Country, it was the ideal of Central and South America, but as Protestantism has take hold with it's liberal views on things, it has now become one of the most Godless countries in the the the Western Hemisphere (rampant homosexuality, sex trade, AIDS, etc...). The question is, what was it that changed the country? On the one hand, Protestants like to brag about how Protestantism is taking over Catholic countries, but they never want to take credit for the fall of the country away from God after it does. The overwhelming majority of unholy people in The US are Protestants. They believe in abortion, female teachers in the church, homosexual marriage, practicing homosexual married clergy, divorce, worshipping God with snakes, racism, etc...all unBiblical. I don't know where you get this stuff. Brazil is divided between the rich and poor. The rich often being supported by the Catholic Church. Some Catholic clergy did reject this and resorted to liberation theology to try to overthrow the Brazilian government. Contrast that with the U.S. a country founded by Protestants. One of the reasons Evangelicalism has gained a foothold in Brazil is due to alcohol. The alcoholism rate was very high among men and these men often abused their families or neglected them. Protestant ministers preached against alcohol and closed down bars which impressed the wives of these alcoholic men who then began to leave the Catholic church. By the way if you think any Catholic country compares to the Protestant U.S. feel free to immigrate to one. You won't find one. |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 27, 2008 20:02:54 GMT -5
are all forums going to be protestant v. catholic? Just asking..
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 6:55:16 GMT -5
No. There are Yankees VS Redsox. ;D (To me, Red Sox fans are far worse than protestants because there's no hope for saving them from their dillusions)  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 7:06:41 GMT -5
Every country is.
The US was first settled by Catholics hundreds of years before the Protestants came. It was then taken over by Protestants. In fact, the Protestants who came here first were the Puritans who were fleeing persectutions from (no surprise here) their own Christian brethren...other Protestants (England).
These same Protestants who fled their own persecution began to persecute others of their same religion once here. So the US's history is certainly not a beacon of light.
I don't think Brazil's history of slavery or of it's racial injstice is anywhere near what the US's history is (all the way up until modern & present times where the US is still racially unjust).
Drug abuse, teenage/unwed pregnancy, homosexuality and sexual liberty has also gone way up since the Protestants began to get a foothold in the country. I believe that they are the majority now.
And the main reason that Protestantism took hold is because of the tribal nature of their worship. Because their form of worship reflects indian forms of worship (with the tribal dancing, the possesion of spirits, the singining of incantations to produce a spiritual presence, etc...), this appealed to the African nature of those who lived there. They felt that this form of Chrisitanity was truer to them because it resembled their ancestor's religion.
I've often posted videos of a Pentecostal/Evangelical service with the attendees sceaming and jumping around and dancing in circles as if possessed to African Voo Doo rituals. You'd be surprised at how identical the two rituals are.
When Jesus began His ministry in Israel, it wasn't what it became. One doesn't run from a condition. One lives his faith out under any circumstances.
You could've used that same exact sentiment to The Puritans who came here escaping Protestant tyrrany, right?
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 28, 2008 12:14:14 GMT -5
No. There are Yankees VS Redsox. ;D (To me, Red Sox fans are far worse than protestants because there's no hope for saving them from their dillusions) LAY OFF THE CRACK! |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 28, 2008 16:01:40 GMT -5
No. There are Yankees VS Redsox. ;D (To me, Red Sox fans are far worse than protestants because there's no hope for saving them from their dillusions) LAY OFF THE CRACK! Funny you use "crack" there...since you're the guys with the "pipe" dreams! LOL! |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 28, 2008 18:27:09 GMT -5
No. There are Yankees VS Redsox. ;D (To me, Red Sox fans are far worse than protestants because there's no hope for saving them from their dillusions) LOL true that. |
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Post by reinabella on Apr 28, 2008 18:28:42 GMT -5
I'm exiting this forum now (the topic). I am SICK of the Protestant v. Catholics forums.. I thought this would be different.. ergg.hhhh..
*goes to check other topics being discussed*
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 28, 2008 21:18:41 GMT -5
There are alot of vs. topics, but at least we respect one another(which you dont find much of on other forums). We love one another on this site. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 29, 2008 15:58:58 GMT -5
I'm exiting this forum now (the topic). I am SICK of the Protestant v. Catholics forums.. I thought this would be different.. ergg.hhhh.. *goes to check other topics being discussed* !  |
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Post by redsoxfan on May 1, 2008 16:48:02 GMT -5
Well to paraphrase Braveheart "well what have we been doing? We've been living that dream!!! GO SOX!!!! |
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Post by Cepha on May 1, 2008 22:16:25 GMT -5
Well to paraphrase Braveheart "well what have we been doing? We've been living that dream!!! GO SOX!!!! How appropriate for a Red Sox fan to choose Braveheart to quote... youtube.com/watch?v=pWKzlQx6xBs |
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Post by righteousone on May 8, 2008 13:46:51 GMT -5
I'm exiting this forum now (the topic). I am SICK of the Protestant v. Catholics forums.. I thought this would be different.. ergg.hhhh.. *goes to check other topics being discussed* Unfortunately, this is the real life....I think Protestants back away and use the excuse they cannot participate in these discussions because they really don't have any answers to back them up. They have no history going back to Christ himself....pity. |
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Post by alfie on May 8, 2008 14:30:37 GMT -5
I'm exiting this forum now (the topic). I am SICK of the Protestant v. Catholics forums.. I thought this would be different.. ergg.hhhh.. *goes to check other topics being discussed* Unfortunately, this is the real life....I think Protestants back away and use the excuse they cannot participate in these discussions because they really don't have any answers to back them up. They have no history going back to Christ himself....pity. That's not why, it's because many times Catholics lie about Protestantism. A good example would be when Catholics claim there are over 30,000 protestant denominations. It gets frustrating to repeat over and over that it isn't true. |
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