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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 14:22:18 GMT -5
Well you said if one if a "true" Catholic then they are Saved. So I was just saying there are a lot of unSaved Catholics out there...as well as a lot of unSaved Protestants.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 14, 2008 20:12:46 GMT -5
I dont think you understand what i am saying Catholic=Christian. You can call yourself "catholic" but that does not mean you are Christian. But if you are a true Catholic, then you are Christian.  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 14, 2008 20:19:57 GMT -5
How about if you accept what Christ did for you then you are a Christian :-)
Someone can go thru all the motions of Catholicism, but without accepting Christ into their lives, they are not Saved, thus not a real Christian.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 14, 2008 20:39:07 GMT -5
I agree!
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Post by alfie on Apr 15, 2008 0:22:18 GMT -5
All Catholics are Christians. I didn't say that all were like that, just a good 90% of them. Usually, they quit because they want a divorce or because they want to have sex out of wedlock or because they want to live a sinful life without restraint. Of course, we can't allow them to live like that just to appease them, so they quit. Then they go about slandering The Church and they just love to join churches where they can fellowship in slandering The Church. And these churches allow them to live however they want to without any guidance. And they like that freedom, the freedom to sin, to slander, to "not" have to live a righteous life. Let's face it...people in sin don't want to hang around people who tell them their in trouble. They'd rather hang around people who accept them exactly as they are without them having to convert their live. But hey, to each his own. Neither you nor the will have any excuses when judgment day comes when you're asked by God why you attended a church that rejected The Old Testament that Jesus used and that used The Old Testament that those that killed Jesus used. I got my own stuff to answer for too. But when it comes to The Church, at least I'm 100% solidly sure that I'm in the right place. Are you serious? The overwelming majority of Catholics are living sinfull lives and they never leave your church. Why would they want to when they can smoke, gamble and drink alcohol? They wouldn't be allowed to do that in a Protestant church. I went to bingo one time (something I should never have done because it was wrong to do so) with a Catholic friend at her church and the priest was half drunk from the beer they were serving and every other word out of his mouth was a cuss word. And some of the people playing the bingo were downright nasty to each other. So much for holiness. I was ashamed and sorry that I every went to a Catholic church where they played bingo it was an abomination before the "Lord" to have done so. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 15, 2008 0:37:32 GMT -5
For some reason, i dont believe that you witnesses a priest cussing and drunk.  And since when do protestants think that drinking and smoking is sinful? From what i hear from other protestants, their churchs are not against it. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 15, 2008 0:43:56 GMT -5
Ever notice that when a Catholic becomes a Protestant, they becomes very bitter and nasty and rude and unChristianlike in their behaviour towards their former brethren? Is this what their new church teaches them? To slander? To judge? To divide? But when a Protestant becomes Catholic, they always speak highly of their former faith and are kind and gentlehearted & Christlike towards their Protestant brethren? This is what Jesus taught, mercy, compassion, love. Which of the two truly represent Christian behaviour? If you believe you have been deceived like a friend I know than you are bound to be bitter. What would have happened to her soul if she had died and not known the truth? I shutter to think. For the record after much praying my friend is now over her bitterness towards the Catholic Church. Why would someone who was Protestant and than became Catholic be bitter? According to Catholic teaching if a Protestant died when Protestant and had not known about Catholic teaching he would still be saved do to invincible ignorance and if he did convert to Catholicism he is saved. According to Catholic teaching it's only after a Protestant learns about Catholicism that he is accountable. |
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Post by alfie on Apr 15, 2008 0:54:33 GMT -5
For some reason, i dont believe that you witnesses a priest cussing and drunk. And since when do protestants think that drinking and smoking is sinful? From what i hear from other protestants, their churchs are not against it. That is your perogative! Plenty of Protestants drink, gamble and smoke which they shouldn't be doing but they do it outside the church not inside the church and I have never heard of a Protestant church itself serving beer or having bingo. The Protestants I know who are born again Christians don't drink, gamble and smoke. Not every Protstant is a Christian. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Apr 15, 2008 1:07:25 GMT -5
Emily who is Baptist says that her church is not against drinking.
A Catholic church in our city does have bingo, but there is no smoking allowed inside and i have never heard of beer being served at a "church" event. BUT, the church does rent out the Hall for wedding receptions where beer can be served and supplied by the folks that rent the place, not by the church.
My husbands family is Baptist, and yes they are Christians and YES they drink and yes there church is against it. Does not mean they are not chrisians, it just means there "church" does not agree with it, not Jesus.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 5:44:15 GMT -5
No. They just sponsor Gambling Trips to Atlantic City and Las Vegas.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 5:45:31 GMT -5
No, but if you are a "true" Catholic, then you are Christian! So with that said...all Catholics are Christian! The first Christians. Before us, there were no Christians. Odd...does 17% of Christianity believe that God chose "non-Christians" to create The Holy Bible?  |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 5:48:13 GMT -5
Not all Catholics are Saved, not all Protestants are Saved. Being part of a church doesn't make one automatically Saved. One is "saved" through baptism. Salvations is deliverance from original sin. That is, for Christianity. I can't speak for what our church teaches, but for Christianity, salvation is being saved from original sin (which is accomplished through baptism). All baptised Christians all saved. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 5:52:02 GMT -5
There are a lot of "false" Catholics then... LOL! There are a lot of false "Christians" period! LOL! Look at how you exclude Protestants from your statement! LOL! Wow! Exclusionism at it's best hey? See that M? "That's" what Protestant does...it divides the Body of Sheep. It doesn't work to separate the Sheep from the Goats...it works to divide the Sheep. Look at your own words then ask yourself if Jesus would say what you've been misindoctrinated to believe. If you say yes, then you place the wrong words in Jesus' mouth. Jesus never ever worked to divide believers like your religion does. Never. Jesus was about inclusion. You do know that Jesus used pagans and non-believers to prove to believers how they should act, right? |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 5:53:57 GMT -5
How about if you accept what Christ did for you then you are a Christian :-) Someone can go thru all the motions of Catholicism, but without accepting Christ into their lives, they are not Saved, thus not a real Christian. Wrong. In the profession of faith, one has to accept Christ "before" they can become a universal Christian. |
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 6:02:34 GMT -5
alfie
You people just continue to PROVE that Protestants are modern day Pharisees.
They choose the Old Testament version of The Pharisees over the version that Jesus Christ used.
They stand on their soapboxes pointing at and telling everybody else how sinful they are.
They proclaim to be the only ones who'll get into heaven.
And they brag about their relationship to God as being exclusive.
Right on schedule.
But Jesus has a surprise for people like you:
Luke 18
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get.
13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner.
14 I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 6:06:10 GMT -5
alfie
You sound bitter. (Sigh)
A person is judged by their works. Works decided (saved or not) whether you get into heaven. Not being saved or not saved. Romans 2. Read it.
It's what you do that garners your judgement.
Jim Jones was an on-fire born-again saved believer, right?
Is he in heaven?
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 6:12:20 GMT -5
By the way, this very thread is proof of what I said.
Catholics speak well of Protestants who aren't anti-Catholic.
Protestants do nothing but bash. But then again, that's their job. Their religion wasn't born of The Gospel, but out of protesting. Hence the name..."protestant".
Look at the Catholic posts here and compare them to the Protestant posts here...The Catholics are all about inclusion in The Family of God. Protestants are all about "exclusion" from The Family of God (something Jesus soundly Himself didn't like):
Protestants just don't seem to read The Holy Bible.
They miss so much stuff.
Like this...
Mark 9
38 John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is for us.
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Post by redsoxfan on Apr 15, 2008 11:39:19 GMT -5
All Catholics are Christians. I didn't say that all were like that, just a good 90% of them. Usually, they quit because they want a divorce or because they want to have sex out of wedlock or because they want to live a sinful life without restraint. Of course, we can't allow them to live like that just to appease them, so they quit. Then they go about slandering The Church and they just love to join churches where they can fellowship in slandering The Church. And these churches allow them to live however they want to without any guidance. And they like that freedom, the freedom to sin, to slander, to "not" have to live a righteous life. Let's face it...people in sin don't want to hang around people who tell them their in trouble. They'd rather hang around people who accept them exactly as they are without them having to convert their live. But hey, to each his own. Neither you nor the will have any excuses when judgment day comes when you're asked by God why you attended a church that rejected The Old Testament that Jesus used and that used The Old Testament that those that killed Jesus used. I got my own stuff to answer for too. But when it comes to The Church, at least I'm 100% solidly sure that I'm in the right place. Are you serious? The overwelming majority of Catholics are living sinfull lives and they never leave your church. Why would they want to when they can smoke, gamble and drink alcohol? They wouldn't be allowed to do that in a Protestant church. I went to bingo one time (something I should never have done because it was wrong to do so) with a Catholic friend at her church and the priest was half drunk from the beer they were serving and every other word out of his mouth was a cuss word. And some of the people playing the bingo were downright nasty to each other. So much for holiness. I was ashamed and sorry that I every went to a Catholic church where they played bingo it was an abomination before the "Lord" to have done so. Remember the Lord's first miracle? You know the one He performed and was then mobbed by 12 apostles and thousands of spectators till the day He died?  |
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Post by emily445455 on Apr 15, 2008 15:52:15 GMT -5
Marcie- My church is against getting drunk because it is a sin, not drinking alcohol in itself.
Cepha- Baptism does not Save anyone. I included Protestants in what I said in later posts.
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Post by Cepha on Apr 15, 2008 15:56:30 GMT -5
Marcie- My church is against getting drunk because it is a sin, not drinking alcohol in itself. Cepha- Baptism does not Save anyone. I included Protestants in what I said in later posts. John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." I don't know M. I think that Jesus makes it clear there that you can only be born again (saved) only if you're baptized. And I believe that born again Protestants are saved. |
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